Yes, it idles just fine. For your application, I'm sure you'll need the IAC to get it to idle properly, but there is definitely a way to work around having to use the throttle cracker. You just need to manipulate your spark tables to adjust for not having the air at that rpm and speed so it doesn't swing all over the place. The best way to adjust it would be via the under/overspeed error tables. Some might not agree with this methodology, but I believe it's much easier to do it this way. This makes the rpms drop much quicker under normal driving conditions if not done properly so don't make it a guessing game if you get some tuning software to do it yourself.

 

We've been on this thread for a while. I just reread your original post and remembered that your have HP Tuners. You never stated if you tuned your VE table or not. What all changes have your done to your tune?

 

those throttle cracker values dont look too bad to me. make sure your idle airflow and VE are all in line. if the car still seems to buck on you mess with the timing in that range, log and see what it is at and let us know. if it still does that you can lower the throttle cracker.

 

Why on the 01 and 02 cars is the throttle cracker so wildly different. Ive been trying to look at the throttle crackers other people are having luck with, but i cant really use it as a reference being as different as they are. My whole bottom right corner is all 12 g/sec in stock form. Other people have betweeh 1 and 2. Where should I be?

 

i figured i would lay it all out there for yall to look at...i appreciate all the help!

idle airflow....
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44.99763 54.00032 60.00212 64.99834 75.99635 82.02190 83.68466 85.27617 88.68088 92.47357 97.31935 95.75952 94.04924 91.61844 88.57795 87.16064 87.16064 87.16064 87.16064 87.16064
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47.99853 56.00356 64.00068 67.00157 78.99725 83.83510 85.49787 87.08938 90.50201 93.55041 98.77625 97.21642 95.64867 93.24161 90.20113 88.78381 88.78381 88.78381 88.78381 88.78381
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secondary ve:
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most of my table is set to about 0.880 and its working out pretty good. if you want i could send you the table i use so you could give it a shot. i wish there was a better way to actually make a table than guess and check

 

Id love to check it out if youre wiling to share. Do you think i should keep the over inflated cells at 12 g/sec to keep the rpms up during shifts while driving spiritedly? Or should I simply replace the whole table?

Thanks

 

wondering if someone wants to compare the rest of my tables that i posted?? thank you!

 

slipmag, those tables are kinda hard to read if you can post screen shots as an attachemnt we can check them out better. i will put my cracker table up tonight when i get out of class. anyone else that has something that works please post up!

 

if you have hp tuners...you can just copy the numbers and paste it on your tabl,es to look at it.....yes please post yours bro...and anyone else post theres..

 

no you cant, or at least i cant, wont work for me.

still a work in progress but it works for me somewhat

 

The trick is pasting it into excel, then do text-to-colums, then copy and past into HPtuners. Voila!

 

**** on that, im not doing all that do check something i dont have that much time haha

 

Why? Still running a pentium 133 where it takes 15 minutes for excell to open? Want me to attach an excel spreadsheet to save you the estimated 3 seconds?

 

Interesting too is that the 2002 table in the 400 & 1000 rpm range is consistently lower. How does that come into play?

 

i would think the lower values would make the rpm dip much worse, but thats just my thoughts, the other tables could be set up different as well.

no im not using that old of a computer haha, just going back and forth between school work so i only have time to reply

 

how do i put an attachment on a post? how do i take a screenshot of my graphs?

 

hit print sceen and the paste it to paint. or just send us your bin it would prob be easier

 

whats your e-mail address....