Black LS1 T/A

[quote]Originally posted by TimZ28:
<strong> I'd like to know if any of you whiners can actually tell me what Ed does that prevents LS1 edit from working?! Well???

Tim</strong><hr></blockquote>

Can you? <img src="images/icons/confused.gif" border="0">

TimZ28

Yup!

Black LS1 T/A

[quote]Originally posted by TimZ28:
<strong>Yup!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, tell us! <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">

branz 28

This isn't anything new. When i first got into Prom Burning for my thirdgen camaro i had wondered why i couldn't read the bin file for certain companies that i had bought chips from. Well, i found out what they put into your ECM, PCM, whatever, is their property. Your not allowed to touch it. Personally i found this kind of odd for the newer cars like the LS1's that don't use the same method of tuning as my thirdgen. I don't know how that one would turn out if brought up in court. Just my .02 <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">

Black LS1 T/A

[quote]Originally posted by TimZ28:
<strong>Yup!</strong><hr></blockquote>

No answer?

That's what I thought. <img src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

TimZ28

Not that you will understand this...

LS1 Edit is expecting all parameters/tables to reside at specific locations in memory. Anyone remember the HPPIII getting hosed by dealer updates? Well it's the same scenario. You want to prevent LS1 Edit or similar programs from modifiying your work? You move those parameters/tables to different locations in memory. LS1 Edit expects things to be in certain locations when it reads/writes your PCM. In the case of Ed things are moved around. He has in no way locked anything at all. You just need to know where to look. Ed also in no way prevents you from doing a "dealer" reflash. A reflash will put everything back to where LS1 Edit is expecting.

There you go...

Black LS1 T/A

"Not that you will understand this..."

Bwa ha ha ha!

Oh Memory Address Location god!

We humbly bow at your mighty toenails... <img src="graemlins/gr_barf.gif" border="0" alt="[barf]" />

2000 Camaro SS

[quote]Originally posted by TimZ28:
<strong>Not that you will understand this...

LS1 Edit is expecting all parameters/tables to reside at specific locations in memory. Anyone remember the HPPIII getting hosed by dealer updates? Well it's the same scenario. You want to prevent LS1 Edit or similar programs from modifiying your work? You move those parameters/tables to different locations in memory. LS1 Edit expects things to be in certain locations when it reads/writes your PCM. In the case of Ed things are moved around. He has in no way locked anything at all. You just need to know where to look. Ed also in no way prevents you from doing a "dealer" reflash. A reflash will put everything back to where LS1 Edit is expecting.

There you go...</strong><hr></blockquote>


Tim thank you for sharing this information as it will give people a more accurate understanding of what has been done.

TimZ28

Well Black I didn't see anything but ignorance throughout this thread when it came to the term "locking" so how was I supposed to know you had enough intelligence to understand what I was going to tell you. You didn't leave me much to work with in your posts did you?!

Black LS1 T/A

You almost always preface your "help" with comments that are demeaning and belittling.

Your personality doesn't give me much to work with. <img src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

iateyourcat

[quote]Originally posted by TimZ28:
<strong>Well Black I didn't see anything but ignorance throughout this thread bla bla bla</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thanks for that info Tim. But, regardless of how the code is locked, it's not editable through LS1 Edit so from a novice programmers point of view, it's locked.

And ya, novices are ignorant of programming... the same way your ignorant of courtesy. Being ignorant of something just means that you don't know much about it. It doesn't mean your not intelligent. It doesn't mean that you can't learn. That's why we're all here.

What this thread boils down to is expectations. People don't expect to have to flash their PCM back to stock after paying $500 for tuning and then another $600 or so for LS1 Edit. If people knew up front, this thread would not exist.

Camaroholic

iTrader: (1)

I already told you guys how it can be done, very easily, with NO CODE MODIFICATIONS AT ALL.

Change the software ID to something invalid. LS1_Edit looks at the software ID from the dump file. Invalid ID = no open / no worky. No need for Ed to move tables around or anything. All he's got to do is change the software ID to something LS1_Edit won't recognize.

And .LS1 files are scrambled, so you won't be able to go in with a hex editor and 'change the ID back'.

-Andrew

Team ZR-1

You have made not one valid statement of fact yet, nor have you defended why people should pay for a product where a vendor sells for a high profit where :

1. Flash contents that does not belong to them.

2. G.M enhanced functions are also owned by G.M

3. EPA and even SAE have ownership of code running in the flash.

4. As per EPA if a command to the PCM is ignored by the PCM, it makes no difference how the vendor did it, it is still locked out by the car owner.

5. Saying its not locked because you can have the flash erased and replaced is real stupid response for what is being done is your saying not only remove the key but also the whole door.
Under EPA, if the VIN # does no agree with the valid calid, the dealer could refuse to force a total reflash and that is the process, when flash re-programmer asks if the VIN # is correct, in this case even though it is the correct VIN # you have to lie and say no it is not and force the tool to brute force a total erase, format and upload of stock flash program.
That function is not assured of sucess and PCM could end up with a corrupted flash forcing car owner not only to have lost the $500 for the tuner's flash but now also the costs of a new PCM and the labor costs. If you think that cannot happen I know of 3 cases where in fact the PCM flash did get corrupted and in all cases the car owner got stuck with a $400 bill even though the car was under warranty.

If a vendor wants to lockup someones property, they have to inform the customer before they buy the product and have them sign a waiver saying they are giving up their rights and due to buying that product understand they can lose their car's warranty and can be rejected in EPA tests and refused license tags.

IMHO, to prevent all of that hassle I suggest the car owner has the right to know of the pros and cons and make a better decision by staying away from such products when you can buy a better tool then the tuner uses and properly tune the PCM calibration tables yourself which is not changing the PCM's operating system.

As far as ignorance, which was uncalled for, I suggest you read the HS-3000 standard, EPA laws and learn the basics for anytime the PCM does not function properly to a test tool or flash re-programmer tool it is in violation of federal laws.

[quote]Originally posted by TimZ28:
<strong>Well Black I didn't see anything but ignorance throughout this thread when it came to the term "locking" so how was I supposed to know you had enough intelligence to understand what I was going to tell you. You didn't leave me much to work with in your posts did you?!</strong><hr></blockquote>

DUKE

Maybe this has been asked, but. Is there one example of anyone that has said...I can't edit my PCM due to a tunner rearranging the program?