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Old Jan 20, 2006 | 12:53 PM
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What is the name of the pid that tells you which table it is using when in open loop?
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Old Jan 20, 2006 | 01:44 PM
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there is not pid you can tell the car is in open loop when you see FTC 22. when you see this the car is pulling from the OLFA table and if the computer needs pe it will pick the richer of the two values
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Old Jan 20, 2006 | 01:57 PM
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You'll need to log commanded AFR, and make sure the two tables are set to different values. As stated above, the PCM picks from the richer of the two. When mine goes into PE mode, the commanded changes from ~14.7 to ~12.8 on the computer screen.
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Old Jan 20, 2006 | 01:59 PM
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I've never heard of one that will tell you which
one is the source, but the Fuel Air Multiplier is
the result of all the juggling and by also logging
RPM, MAP and ECT you can tell which one it was,
by which one's axes point to the FAM value seen.

Unless you have the adders / multipliers chiming
in, then it gets to be messy.
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Old Jan 20, 2006 | 02:12 PM
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Ok, I was sure I heard someone said there was one.

So if the numbers in the OLFA table is numerical higher than the PE table. I will only be using the OLFA?
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That is correct.
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Old Jan 20, 2006 | 02:52 PM
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Then I am confused. My AFR is still in the 10's. So I scaled down my PE. That help a bit. But then it wouldn't lean out anymore. Ok, lets start scaling down the olfa. Nope, I can't get the AFR out of the 10's.

What else would be keeping it that rich?
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Old Jan 20, 2006 | 02:56 PM
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I don't have my software in front of me, but start looking around for fueling and spark vs. IAT/ECT adders. The culprit is usually in there somewhere...
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Old Jan 20, 2006 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Ed Blown Vert
What is the name of the pid that tells you which table it is using when in open loop?


SAE.FUELSYS

This will show you what the PCM is commanding. There is a nice explanation in EFILive 7 Scan.
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Old Jan 20, 2006 | 03:08 PM
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I stand corrected bink is da man. I forgot about that pid because i needed to make room for other stuff. That pid in efilive will tell you that status eg Open Loop drive, open loop fault and a few other statuses
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Old Jan 20, 2006 | 03:23 PM
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I only remembered it because GMPX had me scan with it .....way back when (EFILive V).
GMPX is da Man.Of course so is NoGo ....wherever he is?
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Your problem may not be with either the PE or OLFA table. Cat. Converter Protection will command a really rich AFR if it's still enabled.
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Old Jan 20, 2006 | 03:42 PM
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I stand corrected bink is da man. I forgot about that pid because i needed to make room for other stuff. That pid in efilive will tell you that status eg Open Loop drive, open loop fault and a few other statuses
I am already watching that one. But it won't tell me which table it's using. Thanks though.
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Originally Posted by SSpdDmon
Your problem may not be with either the PE or OLFA table. Cat. Converter Protection will command a really rich AFR if it's still enabled.
Disabled a long time ago.
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Ed, is the problem you can't get the actual afr to go leaner or you can't get the commanded afr to go leaner then 10's? If you want you can send the file this way and maybe I can take a look at it. Two sets of eyes are better then one on some things.
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Ed, is the problem you can't get the actual afr to go leaner or you can't get the commanded afr to go leaner then 10's? If you want you can send the file this way and maybe I can take a look at it. Two sets of eyes are better then one on some things.
But anything is better than tuning by you
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Ed, is the problem you can't get the actual afr to go leaner or you can't get the commanded afr to go leaner then 10's? If you want you can send the file this way and maybe I can take a look at it. Two sets of eyes are better then one on some things.
I can't get the actual afr to go leaner. I have a wideband on the car. The problem may be I tune the old fashion way when LS1edit was the only thing out there. So I scale the IFR to get my LTFT's negative.

So far everything is working well, except for this last item.
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Originally Posted by Ed Blown Vert
I can't get the actual afr to go leaner. I have a wideband on the car. The problem may be I tune the old fashion way when LS1edit was the only thing out there. So I scale the IFR to get my LTFT's negative.

So far everything is working well, except for this last item.
You still have the maf connected Ed? If so I would suspect you need to alter your maf table to make the car go leaner up top. Ever think about trying to do it now with the new methods? Trust me, night and day difference.
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Originally Posted by MeentSS02
But anything is better than tuning by you
I'll ignore this.....
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are you using an fmu + tuning or just tuning to adjust your fueling?
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