I emailed him yesterday (2/4/03), his reply:

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">We are hoping to have the OBDII version of the Tuner program available
sometime in March.
Best Regards,
TC
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LOL I'll believe it when i see it. They've been saying that. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> I wish they'd hurry up tho. I'd rather buy this than LS1Edit.

 

go get 'em tim! <img border="0" alt="[shoot]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" /> edit here also. sure it could be more user friendly but it really isn't hard to figure out. ask a question here and it will most likely be answered. not to mention the awesome all around performance gains with basic changes. serious program for serious tuning!

 

Any news?

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Pro Stock John:
<strong> I have also emailed with Tunercat and I don't think that their setup will be $50 but it will be below $500 per their email... I don't think they have fixed on a price yet... Sounded like end of the year for a release.

I think LS1 Edit updates should be free downloads since I consider early LS1 Edit to be incomplete. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My thoughts EXACTLY!

I could swallow paying $550 for LS1-Edit. But, the jacked-up price to add a PCM license or get an upgrade is pure greed. And, there is no plan to give people bug fixes. When you ask a question about that provision, you get the run-around... or, just get ignored.

The interface is amateurish, there are no import/export functions between files and the code has been buggy for months. I paid for and got into what was called a beta and they cut my upgrade off at six months based on entry into the feature-starved, buggy version.

They only bother to scale it to a 640x480 screen resolution when many laptops are either 800x600 or 1024x768. That is because of the rudimentary skills that are required to create window and control resize routines are lacking. Here is an example that only took me a couple evenings to do:

http://www.blackls1ta.com/ls1_edit_shots.htm
http://www.blackls1ta.com/ls1_edit_dtc.htm
It could be better, I just took a first whack at it.

You can build an interface isolated from other code modules. I offered, without them divulging their top-secret code, to make their interface more user-friendly, resizable AND give them the code... one option as incentive ONLY being that I got upgrades at no cost. If I gave them the code methodology for nothing, that was fine. I requested that little return on my effort (free upgrades) and I got ignored.

Truth is, we who want to tune the PCM are stuck with Carputing for now because they are a monopoly.
But, being in the software business, I can tell you it is my opinion the way they handle sales of the software is a gouge.

It is the beginnings of a wonderful product. But, they are squandering the opportunity to make it into a truly stellar tool. If, or when, someone else ever takes the initiative to develop a like product the right way, they will be left in the dust. The lead developer could argue he is busy finding more tables to add to the product or whatever. That is good. But, minimal investment in someone actually experienced with developing real software could make it better for EVERYBODY... Carputing AND their customers.

There... I've wanted to say that for a long time. Whew!

I love what they brought to market... But, they have made some wrong, and greedy, turns.

Would I still have bought it? Yes. It’s the only game in town, if you want some control over your car’s PCM.

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by OliGeorgs:
<strong> Any news? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I exchanged e-mails with TC last week when getting updated def files from him for my ECM/E-prom tuning software and he now says maybe around May.

 

Ok, I'm sure this is an easy question for those of you that have, buuuuut,

I noticed on these guys' site they have OBDII->RS232 converters extremely cheap. Will these not work with AutoTap software? I mean, you're basically paying for the cable there anyways.

 

Thre is a module connected between the PC serial cable and the OBDII cable. This module contains the LS1-Edit License/s.

 

BTW, I don't knock the module setup... they have to have SOME way to protect their investment and stay in business making them. It's just that, now, with the software update being turned off for guys that took a chance on them from the beginning of beta, and them jacking the price up on adding licenses, I think they are gaking unfair advantage.

If a product comes out that is more reasonably priced and people perceive they have been taken advantage of, a product that could have lasted over the long-term may end up struggling to suervive.

 

I think that we need competition from Tunercat so that the pricing comes down to a number that is fair for what you are buying.

I agree with every point that black ls1/ta has made in this thread. I think that because they have a monopoly they are comfortable and have had no desire to bring the software to a more professional level.

 

Boycott until they bend...Works for the NAACP????

 

Look at tunercat vs lt1edit. Did that force carputing to have a better interface, or lower prices?

NO

I hope tunercat comes out soon, but I wont hold my breath thinking that ls1edit will suddenly get better because of it.

Eric