What engine management system for a 1000 RWHP car?
06-10-2006, 09:27 PM
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What engine management system for a 1000 RWHP car? I'm in the process of build a 1000+ rwhp turbo car, and I need some advice on engine management. I know there are several standalone systems out there and then you have ls1 edit, hp tuner and efilive. Can 1000 rwhp be achieved on stock pcm system using tuning software or is a standalone system a like a BS3 and FAST a must for that kind of power. Now if a standalone is a must which one would be the best Accel DFI gen7, FAST, BS3, AEM, or Haltech. BTW I will be running 160lbs/hr injectors so I know I will need a converter if I use a stock pcm setup.
06-11-2006, 09:37 AM
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I have looked at MIGHTYMOUSE's Big Stuff 3 setup (I use the stock PCM / HPTuners) and if I were doing what you are doing, that's the way I'd go, and you won't need the impedance converter either. Head over to the FI seciton and shoot him a PM.
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06-12-2006, 09:58 PM
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Wow 1200 rwhp on a GM pcm that’s crazy, but I think BS3 is going to do the best for me. The tuning capability of the BS3 is just plan amazing, now I just need to find someone to tune it or get me in the right direction so I can tune it myself. I have some experience with FAST how does BS3 compare as far as ease of tuning.
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06-14-2006, 09:44 AM
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is the stock pcm that limited, with the addition to the 3 bar tuning capabilities, and other sweet features added to the tuning software; that it can't handle or better put, sustain a quality tune at this level of power?
06-14-2006, 09:50 AM
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...... We are working on a 1000 rwhp car at the moment or at least thats the goal. It is at 740/840 I believe on a mustang dyno. We are going to bigger injectors and and bringing the boost up its only at 12PSI now. The car being Tiago's which we are going to stick with HPT. Conley's is a Big Stuff 3 dealer. Its nice to be able to target AFR with BS3. If you need info or pricing on BS3 give Jeff a call 281-540-3278.
Originally Posted by FD3SLS1
I'm in the process of build a 1000+ rwhp turbo car, and I need some advice on engine management. I know there are several standalone systems out there and then you have ls1 edit, hp tuner and efilive. Can 1000 rwhp be achieved on stock pcm system using tuning software or is a standalone system a like a BS3 and FAST a must for that kind of power. Now if a standalone is a must which one would be the best Accel DFI gen7, FAST, BS3, AEM, or Haltech. BTW I will be running 160lbs/hr injectors so I know I will need a converter if I use a stock pcm setup.
06-14-2006, 09:56 AM
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I've made well over 1000hp in one of my cars using EFILives custom 0s3. Been runing well for over 2 years now. The wife can even drive the car to get groceries.
The factory computer can do as much and a ton more than any aftermarket controller. So why downgrade.....
Also, With the Roadrunner/Efilive package, You have on the fly tuning, so there is not one advantage gained by going aftermarket, Especially if you go with the EFILive Custom OS5 that im using now with alpha N and Nitrous controls.
The factory computer can do as much and a ton more than any aftermarket controller. So why downgrade.....
Also, With the Roadrunner/Efilive package, You have on the fly tuning, so there is not one advantage gained by going aftermarket, Especially if you go with the EFILive Custom OS5 that im using now with alpha N and Nitrous controls.
06-14-2006, 11:39 AM
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.... I agree but I was just saying if he was stuck on the idea of BS 3 conley's sells them. Plus the cost is pretty high.....
Originally Posted by soundengineer
BS3 is definatley a downgrade from teh stock PCM with a 3 BAR HPT or EFI os in it
06-15-2006, 11:16 AM
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Yes, EFILive can be used with a pcm called RoadRunner. It is a modified pcm from Craig Moates that allows you to make changes to the computer while the vehicle is running and driving down the road instantly. It is $899 retail and is available thru a couple of the sponsers here i believe thunder racing?
The EFILive intergration with the RoadRunner is seamless and works Very well. I use mine with every dyno session and in person tunes and it saves me a ton of time.
The EFILive intergration with the RoadRunner is seamless and works Very well. I use mine with every dyno session and in person tunes and it saves me a ton of time.
06-15-2006, 09:58 PM
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Yea its $895 then $199 for EFI live interface and then $395 for the Acceleronics VersaFueler since I'm going to be running 160 lb/hr injectors. So $1500 and that doesn't include a Wideband O2($300-$400) or a 2 step($225). Well now the price difference is pretty much a wash. So I think the BS3 is going to be the best for me plus I like the auto a/f correction.
06-15-2006, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by FD3SLS1
Yea its $895 then $199 for EFI live interface and then $395 for the Acceleronics VersaFueler since I'm going to be running 160 lb/hr injectors. So $1500 and that doesn't include a Wideband O2($300-$400) or a 2 step($225). Well now the price difference is pretty much a wash. So I think the BS3 is going to be the best for me plus I like the auto a/f correction.
plus your Acceleronics VersaFueler $395....
contact harlan about a 2 step(much less than $225)
less than you thought it would cost you...
06-15-2006, 11:31 PM
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the auto A/F correction BS3 offers is nice... but does anyone know how far off it is from realtime? I mean we're talking 6000RPM, 100RPS, the time it takes to travel from the cylinder to the collector is x milliseconds ..... AFR updates are post combustion ... so not the end all....
a stock PCM can handle alot of power... it's main problem is RPM ... look at Harlan... he runs stock PCM.....
only aftermarket ECM I would personally look at would be a megasquirt combined w/stock PCM.....
a stock PCM can handle alot of power... it's main problem is RPM ... look at Harlan... he runs stock PCM.....
only aftermarket ECM I would personally look at would be a megasquirt combined w/stock PCM.....
06-15-2006, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by soundengineer
try $650 for HP Tuners..+ $200 for a wideband
plus your Acceleronics VersaFueler $395....
contact harlan about a 2 step(much less than $225)
less than you thought it would cost you...
plus your Acceleronics VersaFueler $395....
contact harlan about a 2 step(much less than $225)
less than you thought it would cost you...
What HP Tuners offers you for only $649 is the ability to tune your vehicle in a 2 or 3bar solution AND data log up to 4 a/d inputs like widebands, fuel pressure, oil pressure, etc..
Even after you tune your car with a 3bar setup, you'll have credits left over to license other vehicles as well.
There are quite a few cars out there over the 1000rwhp mark with our 3bar product. A gentleman from this forum e-mailed me a couple of weeks ago with his new accomplishment as well.
There are quite a few cars at Speed INC that use our 3bar solutions as well and are in this HP range.
The great thing about a BS3 setup though that you do not get with a stock controller is the afr correction on the fly at WOT.. That is indeed a very nice feature. With our 3bar solution though, the VE table is typically larger than what you'll find in aftermarket units which allows for better tuning resolution which can make it easier to dial in your boost fuel.
Either way you go, factory or aftermarket controller, there are several solutions to chose from which is nice.
- Keith, HP Tuners
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