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Old Aug 27, 2006 | 07:35 PM
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Can someone explain this to me? Should I get it for my Turbo LT1? and how does it work?
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Old Aug 27, 2006 | 07:56 PM
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Im not sure there is really much in the way of tuning for the lt1 with F/I unless you get a entire standalone EMS.

AS for needing one when trying to tune with the stock pcm with F/I, im not sure. I have not heard of using one. With the lt1 pcm you jsut have to deal with what you have when boosting. The only big downfall is you loose resolution on you fuel table with F/I on the stock PCM.
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Old Aug 27, 2006 | 08:07 PM
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no clue what that means..as long as I can get 600rw out of it I dont care. I wont be running over 14psi
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Old Aug 27, 2006 | 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by TransAm6383
no clue what that means..as long as I can get 600rw out of it I dont care. I wont be running over 14psi

Basicly the jsut of it. If you are going for big power it will be big money (if you want to make life easier). Big Stuff or Fast XFI is a big recommendation (and very $$$).

With the stock pcm losing resolution, what I mean by that is you lose the ability to "fine tune as you could before. Not toooo big a deal. But that is a downfall.

You can use the stock pcm. But as for needing a map sensor. Im not real educated in that. Best place to ask that is NOT in a ls1 forum. I would suggest asking Bryan at PCMforless. He could get you running the the right direction... or i can ask for you...

He adds fuel for boost throug hte MAF sensor and the PE table as far as i know.

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Old Aug 28, 2006 | 08:08 AM
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3 bar is ALOT of boost lol. 2 bar is 29.4 psi and a full 3 bar is 44.1 psi
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Old Aug 28, 2006 | 08:26 AM
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that math works, only when you consider we are sitting at around 14.x # of boost now.
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Old Aug 28, 2006 | 08:34 AM
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Um I think the 2 bar is 14-15 PSI The 3-Bar MAP sensor can measure boost levels up to 28 PSI.
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Old Aug 28, 2006 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by JMBLOWNWS6
Um I think the 2 bar is 14-15 PSI The 3-Bar MAP sensor can measure boost levels up to 28 PSI.

thats what I was looking for. So if I only plan on running MAX of 14(on this motor/ecu) just to get me into the hi 10's...then I should be good?
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Originally Posted by TransAm6383
thats what I was looking for. So if I only plan on running MAX of 14(on this motor/ecu) just to get me into the hi 10's...then I should be good?
If you get someone to build you a custom OS that will work on a LT1. Then Yes you should be set! I myself dont know who builds SD for a LT1 on a OEM style PCM.
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OS? SD?(speed density?)...oh and i meant...I should be good on a 1bar map sensor..?
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Originally Posted by TransAm6383
OS? SD?(speed density?)...oh and i meant...I should be good on a 1bar map sensor..?
Not to jump this other guys bones, but the LT1 is much different than the LS1 and a OS (operating system) CANNOT be programmed (as far as I have seen) for it.

You have to keep the stock 1-bar sensor.

The words simple, speed density, boost and LT1 do not fit together.
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The LT1 PCM will not recognize the 2-3 bar map, so stick with the stock 1 bar. I add the fuel thru the PE tables.
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This answer your questions?
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Originally Posted by TransAm6383
OS? SD?(speed density?)...oh and i meant...I should be good on a 1bar map sensor..?
OS= Operationg System Which I dont think the LT1 has in SD. Which means the patch is adding fueling in the PE. Or a aftermarket PCM like Fast or Bigstuff.
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Originally Posted by Dragframe
Not to jump this other guys bones, but the LT1 is much different than the LS1 and a OS (operating system) CANNOT be programmed (as far as I have seen) for it.

You have to keep the stock 1-bar sensor.




This answer your questions?
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Originally Posted by Dragframe
.Best place to ask that is NOT in a ls1 forum.

...why not? this is the forced inductions page..it didnt specify LT1/LS1...
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Old Aug 28, 2006 | 07:05 PM
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ok not to get off subject, but i have a 94 t/a and just installed a paxton sn-2000 kit on it. My kit came with a superfueler and a 2 bar map sensor that is supposed to replace the stock 1 bar and i have an OBD I computer
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Originally Posted by TransAm6383
...why not? this is the forced inductions page..it didnt specify LT1/LS1...
well if you notice... each forum has sections that it is classified in.

this one is classified in "LS1-LS2-LS6-LS7 PERFORMANCE "




Either way there are just a minor few who lurk the forums with BADASS LTx F/I cars. And I guess you found your answer eitherway (since I took the time to read the thread ).

Good Luck. I hope your project moves along a little faster than mine.

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ok not to get off subject, but i have a 94 t/a and just installed a paxton sn-2000 kit on it. My kit came with a superfueler and a 2 bar map sensor that is supposed to replace the stock 1 bar and i have an OBD I computer
I have no idea why you got a MAP sensor along with the kit. Paxton is somewhat of a obsolete thing on the LTx motors so im not sure what is all entailed with it. Is the superfueler a FMU or something?

Your best bet would be to put the paxton on, and buy a cartek FMU and your set. Or go the extra mile and get injectors and a dyno tune.
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Old Aug 28, 2006 | 08:09 PM
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I think the superfueler has 3 extra injectors that mount behind the throttle body.
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Old Aug 28, 2006 | 08:13 PM
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the superfueler mounts behind the tb and has 3 separate injectors that add fuel. But it only adds fuel for every lb of boost, no boost, no added fuel. And its very tunable.
check out this link and go to the superfueler
http://www.carrollsupercharging.com/
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Old Aug 28, 2006 | 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by xxxtreme36
the superfueler mounts behind the tb and has 3 separate injectors that add fuel. But it only adds fuel for every lb of boost, no boost, no added fuel. And its very tunable.
check out this link and go to the superfueler
http://www.carrollsupercharging.com/
Ahh i know what you are talking about.

I would get rid of that I heard they were pretty problematic...
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Old Aug 28, 2006 | 11:39 PM
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really, i havent installled it yet, i dont want to if im going to just replace the injectors and have a tune from greg at blowerworks
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