how can torque management effect an m6?
05-12-2003, 07:27 PM
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how can torque management effect an m6? what the hell is the computer doing if im powershifting? its not trying to compensate when im dumping the clutch is it?
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Re: how can torque management effect an m6? Do you just zero out those tables, or do you have to do something more complicated?
The only change I ever made was increasing the MAX torque, but that doesn't seem right..
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The only change I ever made was increasing the MAX torque, but that doesn't seem right..
Thanks!
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Re: how can torque management effect an m6? Instructions here http://ls1edit.slowcar.net/faq.html M6s are missing some of the TRANS data but just follow along.
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Re: how can torque management effect an m6? so there is no real proof that t.m. really affects m6 cars. its more or less done as a why not? if its only a hunch im not concerned then cause im only interested in "the facts mam" . has any one ever logged an m6 run? is the computer pulling timing or anything during shifts? are the rumors true that the 2001-2002 models have it at a bigger degree? i cant afford to go dump @1500 on edit, a scanner, and used lap top right now so help a brother out! 
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Re: how can torque management effect an m6?
so there is no real proof that t.m. really affects m6 cars. its more or less done as a why not? if its only a hunch im not concerned then cause im only interested in "the facts mam" . has any one ever logged an m6 run? is the computer pulling timing or anything during shifts? are the rumors true that the 2001-2002 models have it at a bigger degree? i cant afford to go dump @1500 on edit, a scanner, and used lap top right now so help a brother out!
I logged my car BEFORE zeroing out the torque management tables, and I had various sprinkles of knock retard (as high as 15 degrees retard in some spots!)
I logged my car AFTER zeroing out the tables, and now I have ZERO knock retard everywhere! And this is with my timing bumped up about 3 degrees at WOT.
I think it is safe to say it certainly did something to my M6 car.
Tommy
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Re: how can torque management effect an m6? thanks TA!!!! sorry if i made you say it twice? any how thats what i like to see 
. hmm, now if i can find a scanner to see how much timing im pulling. thanks for the info! 
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. hmm, now if i can find a scanner to see how much timing im pulling. thanks for the info! :p TaTommyWS6
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Re: how can torque management effect an m6? No prob!
I use the scanner software found at http://www.obd-2.com
It is by far the least expensive scanner I ever found, and it does everything you could ever want...
Tommy
I use the scanner software found at http://www.obd-2.com
It is by far the least expensive scanner I ever found, and it does everything you could ever want...
Tommy
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Re: how can torque management effect an m6? Proof ?
It is called torque management, not torque convertor management.
Yes an A4 is bound more to TM but that is because there is electroncs in the A4
to also control the TC so it can be locked/unlocked during TM kicking in so the TC does
not cause false misfires but in any case if the delivered torque value exceeds the
stock setting of 350 ft/lbs then a MN6 car just as well will be effected when TM
yanks timing out.
Add the Corvette where TM is also usd to protect the drivetube and TM's role is to protect
the drivetrain of either MN6 or A4 being part of the total drivetrain.
If TM is tuned well it will allow the car to launch better, turn it off and you get
nothing but wheel spin and worse 60 foot times, esp if the engine outputs more
performance over the stock engine makeup.
It is called torque management, not torque convertor management.
Yes an A4 is bound more to TM but that is because there is electroncs in the A4
to also control the TC so it can be locked/unlocked during TM kicking in so the TC does
not cause false misfires but in any case if the delivered torque value exceeds the
stock setting of 350 ft/lbs then a MN6 car just as well will be effected when TM
yanks timing out.
Add the Corvette where TM is also usd to protect the drivetube and TM's role is to protect
the drivetrain of either MN6 or A4 being part of the total drivetrain.
If TM is tuned well it will allow the car to launch better, turn it off and you get
nothing but wheel spin and worse 60 foot times, esp if the engine outputs more
performance over the stock engine makeup.
so there is no real proof that t.m. really affects m6 cars. its more or less done as a why not? if its only a hunch im not concerned then cause im only interested in "the facts mam" . has any one ever logged an m6 run? is the computer pulling timing or anything during shifts? are the rumors true that the 2001-2002 models have it at a bigger degree? i cant afford to go dump @1500 on edit, a scanner, and used lap top right now so help a brother out!
05-15-2003, 03:01 PM
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Re: how can torque management effect an m6? I don't get it, I wish the damn link would work. 
My torque reduction in my file is already at 0 all over. I wonder if 'm looking at the wrong spot?
Damn link!
My torque reduction in my file is already at 0 all over. I wonder if 'm looking at the wrong spot?
Damn link!
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Re: how can torque management effect an m6? I got rid of mine with the predator
much cheaper than edit, more reliable than hpp3
and if you out modd it you can get a custom tune,
and still have the 10+/- adjustments
much cheaper than edit, more reliable than hpp3
and if you out modd it you can get a custom tune,
and still have the 10+/- adjustments
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Re: how can torque management effect an m6? Ummm... I might buy this in first gear, but unless
you've got a way to turn it off for the upper 3 or
5 gears, where you are not going to get wheelspin
off 350lb-ft, I'd rather do without it in all than
live with it in all. Furthermore, your breakaway
torque in an A4 car is the stall-doubled engine
torque output, you would have to have a way-low
torque limit to keep from spinning street tires
from a standing start.
Better to let your trained right foot manage the
torque, I reckon.
Proof ?
It is called torque management, not torque convertor management.
Yes an A4 is bound more to TM but that is because there is electroncs in the A4
to also control the TC so it can be locked/unlocked during TM kicking in so the TC does
not cause false misfires but in any case if the delivered torque value exceeds the
stock setting of 350 ft/lbs then a MN6 car just as well will be effected when TM
yanks timing out.
Add the Corvette where TM is also usd to protect the drivetube and TM's role is to protect
the drivetrain of either MN6 or A4 being part of the total drivetrain.
If TM is tuned well it will allow the car to launch better, turn it off and you get
nothing but wheel spin and worse 60 foot times, esp if the engine outputs more
performance over the stock engine makeup.
you've got a way to turn it off for the upper 3 or
5 gears, where you are not going to get wheelspin
off 350lb-ft, I'd rather do without it in all than
live with it in all. Furthermore, your breakaway
torque in an A4 car is the stall-doubled engine
torque output, you would have to have a way-low
torque limit to keep from spinning street tires
from a standing start.
Better to let your trained right foot manage the
torque, I reckon.
Proof ?
It is called torque management, not torque convertor management.
Yes an A4 is bound more to TM but that is because there is electroncs in the A4
to also control the TC so it can be locked/unlocked during TM kicking in so the TC does
not cause false misfires but in any case if the delivered torque value exceeds the
stock setting of 350 ft/lbs then a MN6 car just as well will be effected when TM
yanks timing out.
Add the Corvette where TM is also usd to protect the drivetube and TM's role is to protect
the drivetrain of either MN6 or A4 being part of the total drivetrain.
If TM is tuned well it will allow the car to launch better, turn it off and you get
nothing but wheel spin and worse 60 foot times, esp if the engine outputs more
performance over the stock engine makeup.
05-16-2003, 12:55 AM
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Re: how can torque management effect an m6?
Ummm... I might buy this in first gear, but unless
you've got a way to turn it off for the upper 3 or
5 gears, where you are not going to get wheelspin
off 350lb-ft, I'd rather do without it in all than
live with it in all. Furthermore, your breakaway
torque in an A4 car is the stall-doubled engine
torque output, you would have to have a way-low
torque limit to keep from spinning street tires
from a standing start.
Better to let your trained right foot manage the
torque, I reckon.
you've got a way to turn it off for the upper 3 or
5 gears, where you are not going to get wheelspin
off 350lb-ft, I'd rather do without it in all than
live with it in all. Furthermore, your breakaway
torque in an A4 car is the stall-doubled engine
torque output, you would have to have a way-low
torque limit to keep from spinning street tires
from a standing start.
Better to let your trained right foot manage the
torque, I reckon.
What the hell did you say? Torque management doesn't limit wheel spin, that would be TCS. Torque management reduces the torque load on the transmission when it exceeds 350 ft lbs, by cutting timing to the engine. You also run into upshift torque reduction to protect the transmission between shifts. none of this has anything to do with wheel spin, it has all to do with pro longing your transmission life.A good way to tell if you are encountering TM is by using ATAP and look for loss of timing. I was getting 13 degrees advance at WOT at times, and dropping to -10 degrees advance at shifts.
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Re: how can torque management effect an m6?
so there is no real proof that t.m. really affects m6 cars. its more or less done as a why not? if its only a hunch im not concerned then cause im only interested in "the facts mam" . has any one ever logged an m6 run? is the computer pulling timing or anything during shifts? are the rumors true that the 2001-2002 models have it at a bigger degree? i cant afford to go dump @1500 on edit, a scanner, and used lap top right now so help a brother out!
I logged my car BEFORE zeroing out the torque management tables, and I had various sprinkles of knock retard (as high as 15 degrees retard in some spots!)
I logged my car AFTER zeroing out the tables, and now I have ZERO knock retard everywhere! And this is with my timing bumped up about 3 degrees at WOT.
I think it is safe to say it certainly did something to my M6 car.
Tommy
J/K from what I found is that it doesn't affect the 98's as much. I think my tables are already at 0, the ones I thought were relevant are. Link still no worky 