Real-time tuning for 98' LS1?
Originally Posted by Vetal
foff667, could you please explain it simplier, what do I need if I want real-time tuning with HPT, except rewiring 99+ PCM? 
Vetal, there is one other option you can consider if you really do not want to swap your PCM, There is a Moates Roadrunner avaliable that is a 97-98 style PCM, you can purchase this and use EFI Live to real time tune your PCM, but i would still reccomend swapping your PCM.
Last edited by Eurospec2; Aug 22, 2007 at 08:46 AM.
Originally Posted by foff667
If you've swapped to an 02 PCM more than likely your using a 99+ operating system meaning you'll need to use a valid vin for that operating system.
Originally Posted by foff667
As you obviously know by your statements you do need to really know what your doing when performing a segment swap so there are some qualifications between the files that need to be met IE they must have the same operating system to swap segments between files which in itself can be a pain to find cooresponding operating systems & sometimes impossible since they outright didn't make them, but in the end yes you can do the same with our program and we have hundreds of customers to prove it .
Originally Posted by foff667
On a day to day basis we usually deal with 4L80e swaps but fuel segment swaps are handled identically. We've never flat out turned away a customer or shop owner to my knowledge. If they provide us with qualifying files(same OS) to swap the segment we never turn them away.
Im curious, if HP does indeed have the capability to do these things, why are they not released to the end users so they can do it for themselves?
Im not trying to argue, Ive admitted i do not know as much about HP as i probably should, so from you i am learning a few things.
I think theres enough info out there, and now defenetlily in this thread for anyone to read for themselves and decide which Tuning suite is right for them if they decide to swap PCM's, and in the end getting the info out is the goal of this entire website
I think theres enough info out there, and now defenetlily in this thread for anyone to read for themselves and decide which Tuning suite is right for them if they decide to swap PCM's, and in the end getting the info out is the goal of this entire website
Originally Posted by foff667
Unfortunately we do not offer Real time tuning for 98 pcm's, with their limited excess ram we were unable to get it functional enough to be of much use. We only offer RTT for 99+ gen 3 pcm's
I just want to choose least expensive route. I can't really afford RoadRunner + EFI Live+licenses = $1150
Maybe I'll go down EFI Live bidirectional control route... If it can change fuel/ignition on the fly, that could be enough...
Originally Posted by Vetal
foff667 I meant what except PCM rewiring (which is not hard I think) do I need to switch to 99+ PCM and use HP Tuners' real-time tuning with it?
I just want to choose least expensive route. I can't really afford RoadRunner + EFI Live+licenses = $1150
Maybe I'll go down EFI Live bidirectional control route... If it can change fuel/ignition on the fly, that could be enough...
I just want to choose least expensive route. I can't really afford RoadRunner + EFI Live+licenses = $1150
Maybe I'll go down EFI Live bidirectional control route... If it can change fuel/ignition on the fly, that could be enough...
Originally Posted by Eurospec2
Vetal, there is one other option you can consider if you really do not want to swap your PCM, There is a Moates Roadrunner avaliable that is a 97-98 style PCM, you can purchase this and use EFI Live to real time tune your PCM, but i would still reccomend swapping your PCM.
I'm just trying to understand HOW to do it LS1 Tech Stories
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Originally Posted by foff667
Yeah, the only pcm's we offer RTT for is the 99+ pcm's meaning you would need to swap in one of those pcm's, bi-directional controls won't work real well for what you probably want to do unless you have a dyno, & even then there are some extreme limits as to what you can do. Not to say they can't be useful but real time tuning the tables themselves is much more functional.
Sorry for any misinformation, I have been informed that although we do perform Transmission segment swaps on a case by case basis we DO NOT perform fuel system segment swaps.
-Bill
-Bill
Last edited by foff667; Aug 24, 2007 at 03:43 PM.
The file you will need is the chevrolet 02 express van if you swap PCM's
Vetal, if cost is a major factor and yoru ultimate goal is just real time tuning check this out.
http://www.greenlightmotorsports.com...cdabbaa2c93000
The 97-98 Roadrunner PCM is listed there for only 150$, youll have to purchase or use EFI Live with this, but its probably the cheapest way to achieve real time tuning in a 98 and you wont have to do the swap.
Vetal, if cost is a major factor and yoru ultimate goal is just real time tuning check this out.
http://www.greenlightmotorsports.com...cdabbaa2c93000
The 97-98 Roadrunner PCM is listed there for only 150$, youll have to purchase or use EFI Live with this, but its probably the cheapest way to achieve real time tuning in a 98 and you wont have to do the swap.
Originally Posted by Eurospec2
The file you will need is the chevrolet 02 express van if you swap PCM's
Vetal, if cost is a major factor and yoru ultimate goal is just real time tuning check this out.
http://www.greenlightmotorsports.com...cdabbaa2c93000
The 97-98 Roadrunner PCM is listed there for only 150$, youll have to purchase or use EFI Live with this, but its probably the cheapest way to achieve real time tuning in a 98 and you wont have to do the swap.
Vetal, if cost is a major factor and yoru ultimate goal is just real time tuning check this out.
http://www.greenlightmotorsports.com...cdabbaa2c93000
The 97-98 Roadrunner PCM is listed there for only 150$, youll have to purchase or use EFI Live with this, but its probably the cheapest way to achieve real time tuning in a 98 and you wont have to do the swap.
Originally Posted by Vetal
Question about EFI Live - what is it's RTT option, and how does it differ from $600 RoadRunner?
Roadrunner is a replacement pcm that you replace your stock pcm with.
Your able to change each and every table in the pcm from fan temp turn on/off points, Tire size, Torque managment to VE, PE & Maf tables and everything in between in real time.
RTT uses your stock pcm & one of our custom proprietary operating systems that stores several of your tables into the stock pcm's excess ram allowing you to tune them in Real Time
Your able to change dozens of tables in the pcm from VE, PE, MAF, Idle, Knock Sensors, O2 switch points, etc. We tried our best to fit in the most common & necessary tables for idle, fuel & spark tuning at the lowest cost(1 or 2 credits)
Sponsors, please clarify
With 98' LS1, do I have to shut down the motor EVERYTIME to make any change, even if I change just couple of cells in fuel or ignition map? Or is there anything that will allow me to make some changes not turning the engine off? Bidirectional controls maybe (not sure what it is though)?
With 98' LS1, do I have to shut down the motor EVERYTIME to make any change, even if I change just couple of cells in fuel or ignition map? Or is there anything that will allow me to make some changes not turning the engine off? Bidirectional controls maybe (not sure what it is though)?