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Old 09-30-2003, 09:01 AM
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The GEN 7 has no ability to control your transmission you would need to run your stock ECM in a "piggyback" configuration for trans control.
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There is also 3 choices in keys that allow for getting to other screens for more experienced tuners standard key comes in all kits,,sportsman and pro key are also available options, pro key allowing every aspect if calibration even adjustments for sensor sensitivity..



What does "option" mean - is it something that you have to request, or it it something you have to buy? (meaning in the base kit you are locked out of the ability to edit all your tables???) What are the differences in the "key" levels?

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i can't wait till i get mine!

joe do you know if any cars will be running gen7 ls1 on saturday at MIR?
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actually there are only 2 software levels standard and pro the pro offers acces to more tables that you only need for 500+ hp
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So the piggy back is a harness that id offered, even with 500+ hp levels? Stock gauges will work with the piggy back right?
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Default Re: ACCEL DFI GEN 7 FOR THE LS1/LS6

Thanks for the reply, a couple of followup questions -

1) What are the tables that are available in the "pro" version, but locked out of the "standard" version?

2) Regarding the locked tables, are they ignored, or are generic values used?

3) Can an existing "standard" version be user upgraded to a "pro" version or does the box have to be sent back?

4) What is the pricing difference between the "standard" and "pro" versions? (MSRP)?



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the tables are just filled in with the VE estimator. The pro key is just an add on and can be added at any time. Unlike the other guys we do not require box "mods" for options. The price difference is about 100.00 MSRP.
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The piggy back is not really a harness you would have to hard wire the trans and guage wires into the sensors to retain trans and guages.
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So the VE table is the only difference between the pro and standard version? (didn't really understand the answer I think?)
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Ok, call me ignorant but I'm at a loss as to what gains I would achieve if I were to let a professional tune my car with this ACCEL system on it. I have a daily driven street car, 427, LS6 heads, S1 cam going in, LSX intake, Meizere EWP, etc.

Realistically, what would be the max power gain I'd see from this?
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The piggy back is not really a harness you would have to hard wire the trans and guage wires into the sensors to retain trans and guages.
That's interesting, I was told it couldn't be done, and to make it work with a 4L60E you would have to buy a tranny controler.
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Hawk, I was just told the same thing by a genVII reseller. Can we get more specifics on this topic please GEN7DFI?
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As far as the "piggybacking" you need to remove the spark and fuel controls from the stock ecm lay our harness into the engine bay plug it in and tune the car, if you are running a factory automatic trans you will need to splice (or share the crank trigger) for the trans to function properlyproperly.
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Cannibal, as far as what you gain is full control over the engine, the other "tuning" programs on the market cannot change the basic thinking and function of the stock ECM which is emissions, you can "tune" or "edit" the stock ECM all you want but its basic function is still an emissions based computer I think you would be very happy and surprised with the gains you would get from the swap.
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As far as what you gain with the "pro" key
after start fuel decay mode versus ECT
injector correction vs voltage
ve correction vs target air fuel ratio
VE correction vs estimates injector pulse width
ECT VE correction VS MAP/RPM
ECT-IAT difference
fuel control peopotianl gain
fuel control intergal gain
fuel control differential gain
start up decay interval
base ect compensation
knock retard limit
knock retard interval
knock advance interval
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As far as the "piggybacking" you need to remove the spark and fuel controls from the stock ecm lay our harness into the engine bay plug it in and tune the car, if you are running a factory automatic trans you will need to splice (or share the crank trigger) for the trans to function properlyproperly.
Has anybody done this yet with a 4L60E ?
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Default Re: ACCEL DFI GEN 7 FOR THE LS1/LS6

i can't wait till i get mine!

joe do you know if any cars will be running gen7 ls1 on saturday at MIR?
1 for sure possibly 2 if all goes well ...1 is a cam heads car the other is a well known engine builder combination 418 ci.
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Default Re: ACCEL DFI GEN 7 FOR THE LS1/LS6

The piggy back is not really a harness you would have to hard wire the trans and guage wires into the sensors to retain trans and guages.
That's interesting, I was told it couldn't be done, and to make it work with a 4L60E you would have to buy a tranny controler.
this is corect as of now..there is a splice in harness though in the works that will allow ofr 4l60e operation
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Ok, call me ignorant but I'm at a loss as to what gains I would achieve if I were to let a professional tune my car with this ACCEL system on it. I have a daily driven street car, 427, LS6 heads, S1 cam going in, LSX intake, Meizere EWP, etc.

Realistically, what would be the max power gain I'd see from this?
keep a watchful eye here ,you'll know soon ...
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Default Re: ACCEL DFI GEN 7 FOR THE LS1/LS6

The piggy back is not really a harness you would have to hard wire the trans and guage wires into the sensors to retain trans and guages.
That's interesting, I was told it couldn't be done, and to make it work with a 4L60E you would have to buy a tranny controler.
this is corect as of now..there is a splice in harness though in the works that will allow ofr 4l60e operation
Cool.. That will open some market for them with the A4 gang !! You wouldn't happen to need a test car would ya Joe!!


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