Restoring WS6 in the present and future
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Restoring WS6 in the present and future
Hi guys, Ive owned a 2002 Firebird/ trans am WS6 since 2014. Car has 113,000 miles but paint is a little rough and seems like it nickel and dimes me at times but the motor and transmission is solid. I’ve come to a realization that it was easier to find parts back when I bought it than today. The junkyards seem to have less and less Firebird parts. I’ve replaced a t top before because it flew off in 2014 and I found one very easily. But it’s been getting harder to find parts. And I have to buy things on eBay when it’s cosmetic many times. For example, I had to buy wheel caps on eBay because couldn’t find them anywhere not in the junkyard, autozone, o’reilly, Craigslist, you name it. The wheel caps got stolen at a parking lot. Also I had to get a used camaro steering wheel from a junkyard recently. I couldn’t find a Firebird steering wheel that was in good shape. Wondering if this car has a good future with aftermarket and if it will be expensive to restore in the near future
. Recently I’ve bought a 2006 mustang gt as a daily driver which has plentiful aftermarket just to keep the miles and wear off the WS6. I’ve thought about selling the trans am a few times but can’t bring myself to let go of my high-school sweetheart of a car that I got at 17 years old. For your time I provided pics I have of the car.
. Recently I’ve bought a 2006 mustang gt as a daily driver which has plentiful aftermarket just to keep the miles and wear off the WS6. I’ve thought about selling the trans am a few times but can’t bring myself to let go of my high-school sweetheart of a car that I got at 17 years old. For your time I provided pics I have of the car.
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I havent had mine as long as you but i dont think much has changed in the span of 5 years as far as parts availability. I rarely see 98-02 firebirds/TAs or camaros in the junkyard..i pretty much dismiss going to junkyards to find anything for these cars, i go right to craigslist, facebook or ebay for interior parts or anything that typically breaks on them. Theres always people parting them out so with a little effort you could probably find what you need. And as far as aftermarket, theres still alot out there for 4th gens, if anything its growing a bit as they age because used stuff just isnt available anymore in good condition, so sooner or later someone will pick up on this and start reproducing parts that are difficult to find..afterall they are a very popular car.
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Any true restoration, meaning complete restoration, is going to be expensive and will almost always cost more than the car is worth (even when speaking of the classics, unless you know how to do nearly all of the labor yourself). Having said that, you are correct about premium parts availability not being what it was when the 4th gens were much newer. Like most older models, factory inventory, NOS items and good used original pieces usually end up scarce or exhausted before comprehensive reproduction items come on line (if ever).
If your goal is to have a top-tier, show quality 4th gen Trans Am, it would be more cost effective to buy a super low mileage garage queen than to complete a total restoration of a 6-digit mileage example. But, if your plan is to just keep repairing this one as needed then the break-even point becomes much more fuzzy. It really all depends on your goals and standards, but as these cars are not big money classics I wouldn't expect to see a comprehensive selection of high quality reproduction parts to be on the horizon in the near future. Granted, some things are already (or are becoming) available, but selection won't be as easy or complete as sourcing parts for a much newer (or, in some cases, much older classic) car.
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To RPM's point, what are the goals here?
Parts can be had. At this point; Classic Industries and YearOne should become more critical to us. The other great thing is that as time goes on, one can usually afford more expensive parts. (Particularly after the car payments are gone!) There are also salvage yards that specialize in F-Bodies. They may not be down the street from everyone, but there are several and they do ship.
Parts can be had. At this point; Classic Industries and YearOne should become more critical to us. The other great thing is that as time goes on, one can usually afford more expensive parts. (Particularly after the car payments are gone!) There are also salvage yards that specialize in F-Bodies. They may not be down the street from everyone, but there are several and they do ship.
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Thanks for the replies guys. The goal would be to keep the T/A a reliable car in good shape that lasts me many more years. I just wanted to know if the future was bright for this car in that regard. I see many older 90's GM trucks and even fox body mustangs in the Houston, TX area being daily driven(I want to be able to do that in my T/A in the future without having a hard time finding parts). I know that for when the engine in the trans am blows I could easily put a lq9 6.0 or lq4. I'm not worried about the engine since LSX platform of engines is plentiful. I already did a 4l60e rebuild at 97,000 miles. The concern are more in terms of exterior, interior parts and anything besides engine and transmission related. Ultimately my next goal for this car would be to re-paint it and have it be weekend warrior.
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Of all the Pontiacs made, the Firebird is, and will be (I predict) the most supported by the aftermarket, regardless of generation, so you have that going for you. The fact that the 3rd and 4th gens share the drive train with the Camaro helps tremendously too. There was a time when the 2nd gen Firebirds were getting no love from the aftermarket, that has corrected itself as those cars age. I suspect we'll see the same effect on the 3rd and 4th gens as they mature. With few exceptions, on popular cars such as F-bodies, Stangs and 'Vettes, parts availability tends to follow a bathtub curve: When new, parts are available from the manufacturer, as they age this resource dries up, then as they become more collectible, the aftermarket kicks in with a good supply of parts. There are more parts available for my '68 Cutlass in the aftermarket than there were in the '80s and '90s, and one could argue that car is not nearly as desirable as a Firebird.
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Some of us here are old enough that we bought our cars new. Since there aren't any new Firebirds rolling off the assembly line, those purchasing them now are at the mercy of their previous caretakers. As mentioned previously, starting with a low-mileage car is going to get harder and harder as time goes on. Folks that are into cars tend to be a crafty & resourceful bunch. If you want it to stay on the road bad enough, you'll find a way to do so.
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If these cars ever have a chance on lasting another 40 years, some aftermarket support is going to have to step up and start reproducing some of the plastic pieces for these cars. As of now these fbodys are already starting to degrade and fall apart, every interior part is cheap plastic, fenders, bumper covers, headlight housings, taillight housings etc...these 4th gens are nothing like pre 70s cars that are mostly steel.
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If these cars ever have a chance on lasting another 40 years, some aftermarket support is going to have to step up and start reproducing some of the plastic pieces for these cars. As of now these fbodys are already starting to degrade and fall apart, every interior part is cheap plastic, fenders, bumper covers, headlight housings, taillight housings etc...these 4th gens are nothing like pre 70s cars that are mostly steel.
FWIW, even my '71 has quite a few plastic/vinyl interior components, exterior lenses and such (the glove box insert is actually made of cardboard). Many of those items are still original and have held up pretty well over the last 48 years, though a few have needed repair or replacement. If you can limit sun exposure, extreme heat, rapid temp fluctuations, etc., you can significantly slow the aging process of these materials.
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- write script
- count change
- use a VCR (these were in use when F-Bodies were made!!!)
- buy a newspaper
- dial a rotary phone
- use a phone plugged in to a wall (how silly)
- "buy things" in a "store" with walls (how silly)
You can delay any replacement issues totally by keeping the car in a garage. UV light is a plastic killer. Keeping the car out of the sun does wonders!
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If you’re going to keep it, put as much money into it as you want. If you want to do a full restoration, it’ll be costly but worth it. If you want to just maintain it and drive it, that’s cool too. I’m in the process of making my 2000 SS into a car I can take to shows and drive on the weekends. It’ll cost a lot to get it where we want, but it’s my car and it’s what I want to do with it. Plus the way I see it, anyone who has an issue with how much I spend on the car need to remember they aren’t helping me at all.
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In 10 years, all of these things will come out of a 3D printer in your garage. You will have forgotten what "buy things" means, just like (in recent times) you have not forgotten how to:
- write script
- count change
- use a VCR (these were in use when F-Bodies were made!!!)
- buy a newspaper
- dial a rotary phone
- use a phone plugged in to a wall (how silly)
- "buy things" in a "store" with walls (how silly)
- write script
- count change
- use a VCR (these were in use when F-Bodies were made!!!)
- buy a newspaper
- dial a rotary phone
- use a phone plugged in to a wall (how silly)
- "buy things" in a "store" with walls (how silly)
If you’re going to keep it, put as much money into it as you want. If you want to do a full restoration, it’ll be costly but worth it. If you want to just maintain it and drive it, that’s cool too. I’m in the process of making my 2000 SS into a car I can take to shows and drive on the weekends. It’ll cost a lot to get it where we want, but it’s my car and it’s what I want to do with it. Plus the way I see it, anyone who has an issue with how much I spend on the car need to remember they aren’t helping me at all.
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I've done 60% of the things on this list in the last week alone. The times have really passed me by. But, I imagine you probably remember my old flip phone.....I'm still using it! Wish I could get a rotary option on one of these. And in that spirit, I've also gone back to using the old alpha-numeric phone numbers. My current exchange is "ORchard".
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OP, are you part of Houston F-body on Facebook? There are a lot of stuff that go up for sale there which is why I like it. I come here to read good builds and how to fix stuff. I love forums vs Facebook. Also, check the Texas Region on LS1TECH. They just had a few nice part out T/A' s there.
I just bought a Trans Am and live in the Clear Lake area. What side of town do you live in?
I just bought a Trans Am and live in the Clear Lake area. What side of town do you live in?