S8ER95Z

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I don't see an argument... people that can look at plain fact and still try to make their case are pretty much a waste.

Von Curry

all this thread is....is a bunch of f-body and gto owners trying to say they have bigger *****... f-body...live axle great to launch. with gto... weak *** driveshaft and irs which equals weak launches... an f-body is roughly close to an 04 in power so i think that slides in the f-bodys favor... but an ls2 goat will in my opinion edge out a f-body...and people if your f-body has mods then shut the hell up because we are talking stock for stock...not stuff like my 600hp camaro blew the hood off my buddies gto....lets think before we post...and someone tell me the weight of a f-body

demonspeed

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My '01 Z28 M6 was 3460 full weight with a full tank of gas. Edmunds quotes them at 3439.

Doing the math, that's 300lbs less than a GTO.

S8ER95Z

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I am talking stock to stock..and I still don't understand how a GTO edges out an LS1 F-body? The time when driven to their best are damn near spot on equal.

slow

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My ls2 gto is nice, but does not feel as fast as my stock 98 ws6 did when it was stock

Von Curry

thank you goats weigh in at 3700

Von Curry

ls2 goat from what ive seen takes the f-body by a little not much but a little say... by maybe half a second but it all depends on drivers as well...i have beaten ls2 goats before..and im sure if i can a f-body could as well...they are great cars...much better for drag than a goat but if you put 2 equal drivers in both cars the ls2 should get him...matter of fact i encourage anyone here with a stock f-body and gto to find a stock car opposite yours and race em at the next drag meet...the only rules would be to have street tires...and no mods...and race the cars then switch drivers to opposite vehicle and post up!

demonspeed

iTrader: (7)

Edmunds quotes 3725. I will have to weigh mine to see the variance.

300lbs is still a lot, especially when you have the flaky rear, skinny tires, and sloppy drivetrain.

On paper:

2002 Camaro SS
350hp
3400lbs
1 piece driveshaft
solid rear
3.42 gear
275 tires

2004 GTO
350hp
3700lbs
2 piece driveshaft
IRS
3.46 gear
245 tires

No brainer. Camaro. Same engine. Lighter weight. Better power transfer.

LS2 GTO may have 50 more hp, but still has the same hurdles to overcome. Throw in a LS2 GTO with 18's and the factory 235 tires with tiny sidewalls, and it's an uphill battle. Stock for stock, LS1 F-Body vs LS2 GTO isn't an easy call.

blkbltgoat

which is better VHS or beta max

ssgunny

iTrader: (6)

I think this article puts this to rest even though both were on the spray. The 2001 WS6 was lightly modded with a 125 shot and lost in the quater to a completely stock 2005 GTO with a 100 shot.

http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...ws6/index.html

blkbltgoat

aww how sweet you think something will end this debate

demonspeed

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No! neVAR!

WSsick

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lol, this debate will never end. my friends day about **** himself when he lost in his 480hp lt1 camaro to a cam only GTO. he says "they are just fat, slow cows" so i said, what does that make you?

i love both. my future garage will hopefully be a spice red ls2 goat with some bolt ons and a cheaTR type cam with a track f bod for the weekends....the GTO might need juice though.....goddamn, it never stops, and i dont even own it yet lol

WSsick

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personally, i can never count manuals when comparing cars like this b/c itd be damn hard to find 2 exactly equal drivers. autos would be easier but still, this is a debate between 2 different types of cars.

S8ER95Z

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That's why I look at the absolute best times when trying to compare the 'best' car. At the extreme end they are both running 12.8x @ 108.xx mph... (I believe some GTOs have gone 109.xx mph so advantage GTO there on the extreme end, my best mph was only 108.59)

I agree though...it's tough to find a driver to driver comparison.

FWIW I drove my buddies GTO (He can't drive my M6 so no relevant data there) my times were 13.3 ~ 13.4 while he was running 13.2 ~ 13.4 all day.

Just like you said though...too many variables A4 vs M6, tune vs stock.

patisi

I am willing to bet you dont remember how fast your 98 WS6 felt 10 years ago. Plus being used to how it felt over time any tangible difference will be of an impact now going to an LS2.

My 1967 GTO felt faster than an 1998 WS6, ha ha.

WSsick

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since this thread is going nowhere but to straight **** talking, im going off subject.

if your best mph was 108.59, what was the ET? pretty good i bet. im interested. stock everything incl tires or what?
...a 2nd smiley for good measure

S8ER95Z

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Stock everything (tires were on the wear bars unfortunately), air filter was the stock paper filter, etc. Nothing done to it whatsoever.



I was full weight and banged the limiter going from 2nd to 3rd or who knows... You can see how 'agressive' my launch was here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMgeJkCKOTQ

Rob

iTrader: (6)

I felt the same way when I bought my 04 GTO. My 96 WS6 always felt faster. It ran 13.50@104 back in 96 when it was stock.

My GTO ended up running 13.25@105 when it was stock. Just felt "slow" even though it was quicker. It is very smooth compared to an F-Body and is very decieving.

Just a quick note. Don't forget the GTO gets much better gearing in the M6. Rear gears are about the same but the tranny is much better in the GTO. About the same as a 3.90 geared F-Body. Kind of negates the weight advantage. Provided you can use the torque multiplication.

5PONT7

Word thats exactly what happened to me