CamOnlyJabroni

With factory gearing and suspension I will agree with that. After you put a different rear in with a higher gear ratio, adjustable control arms, panhard bar, torque arm, adjustable shocks, relocation brackets and a anti roll bar I will disagree. My dad's 85' Monte SS "my old car" with similar power "both 383's" as mine and stalled auto vs. My F Body with a six speed puts the power down better. Both cars are on a 275/60 mickey. On top of that, the Monte still has the grandpa 3.42's from the Grand National/Olds 442 setup vs my 4.30's.

zz4camaro1980

Yeah, I read through the links you guys posted and saw the light. I was definitely thinking about it in an over-simplified way.

Cant tell if serious... any car will get out the hole well if you upgrade practically everything with aftermarket parts.

ThoR294

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. SRA is superior in drag racing without a doubt. Hio is just too special to realize that.

Blown383LS1

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Absolutely there is. 95% of customers want the better ride that the irs provides. When you get down to it, the manufacturers are building their cars to satisfy the 95% that buy them and will never put them on a drag strip or road course.

JC316

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Cause it's the latest fad... All of the "performance" cars wanted to go FWD for a long time too. Just cause manufacturers are using them, doesn't mean that it's best for performance.

I've had:
Thunderbird SC
94/96 Mark VIII's
93 300ZX
85/92 corvettes
05 GTO
Mazda RX8

Only the corvettes and the GTO would launch worth a damn. All of the others wheel hop BAD. Granted all of those were really comfortable and stayed planted in bumpy corners, but straight line sucked.



Excellent question. I'm not sure how this thread devolved. Pappa vs mappins, pappa wins. The end.

NateLS1Mustang

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Sounds like they should sell their cars then...

Gt4urass

Joe really hurt your feels eh?

Blown383LS1

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So is your definition of "stock suspension" the way it came from the factory with zero mods? No control arms, braces, arb's, axles, etc?

Gt4urass

For the record, neither my Mark VIII, nor my rents' 89 Cougar hopped...but EVERY stock bushing having Mustang IRS I've been in will shake your fillings out.

Jay z28

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Joe was looking for a reaction when he said that, and he got it.

At least I hope that he posted that just to get a reaction. Because telling someone that they should sell their performance car because they don't feel like taking it to the track is kinda dumb. Jmo

HioSSilver

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I'm not asking you to pick sides......there really is no side here. The advancement in technology will change your mind on its own. These guys are tryin to specify one area where the development of one suspension since the horse and buggy debut might be better with no actual proof of it being better besides theories.

I simply have a open mind ans since there are no more sra cars out and 0-60 times are reduced and putting power down out of a corner is better my only conclusion can be irs makes better traction......period

Now by the time you want to backbrace your sra, weld arb to the alxe tube (not advised on half shafts unlike bitemark advised) and put a big enough set of slicks on it you couldn't spin on ice then yes sra can be competitive.

But is it better like they claim? Their argument seems weak
Bitemark is a ****** idiot. I called that years ago. Even worse is he is closed minded to any opnion but his own. Maybe that's why his race car can't get past a 11.5.
No its not clearly better. It is used more due most cars being raced was born that way.

But.....most here don't have just a drag car....so well you know.

I find it funny you keep stippin that tho
What's your grandma's #?? Does she sext
Not really
The links he posted are how to make a sra work for drag racing.

Like you said any car will get outta the whole after you replace errything

Now look at what these modern irs cars are doin with out replacing anything
Sra is horse and buggy ****. Back when i bought my camaro i thought about buying the cobra on the fact that it had irs. But as with any suspension design there are good and bad. Fcar sra was better than that irs.

Times have changed.


Here's a cool vid. Guy developed a irs for drag racing. He offers some insight. What's funny is the wheel on the right acts like a sra.....the one on the left he fixed.


Pretty cool he went to the effort to figure it out. Now he can control the toe and camber ......your sta can't do that

Jay z28

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How ironic.

HioSSilver

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Nothin ironic about it.

CamOnlyJabroni

Well you don't add power and leave suspension components stock. That's how you get a car the doesn't perform like it should. If I was on stock LT1 power I would have no problem making a tire change and hooking hard with no other changes. Maybe a simple torque arm and control arm change. Adding a gear change to a 3.73-4.10 would make launching well that much easier. In a T56 car. My Challenger has IRS and it launched like crap without the help of traction control. I put a bigger tire on and it still needs a lot of help in cooler weather. Here it is bone stock. Spin city with the help of traction control.

Jay z28

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HioSSilver

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Oh i know exactly what it means. Fact is most are closed minded......i am not.

Not being willing to explore the benefits of irs in drag racing is being closed minded. I am nit saying all irs is better. We likely have not seen the best irs system yet. More than likely you will see systems developed for more specific applications in the future. Hell I've already said some sra's are better than some irs. Everything is fair game to change.

You guys seem to even bitch about my open minded approach to modding.

sw07gt

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IRS is plenty capable at even extreme street car power levels. SRA is more capable, more reliable and more consistent. Foxbody ftw.

NateLS1Mustang

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Nah, he just knocked some sense into me... Those type of people should definitely sell their cars if not tracked....

NateLS1Mustang

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Nope, he truly does feel that way. He may have gotten a reaction out of it but it's what he believes as well.

NateLS1Mustang

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Stfu, you're a ******' idiot. Hypocritical *****.