Poppacap vs mappins!
03-31-2016, 01:02 PM
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- thought my car went 1.26 60' on DR's with only 417rwhp.
- Didn't know where are what the neutral centerline was.
- Didn't drill holes in my axle hubs for "weight reduction"
- Shall I go on? I have more.
I am far from closed minded. I unlike you try and help people on this site by posting in the DR section to help out fbody owners get their car faster at the track. Funny I don't see you posting much anywhere but here. Why is that?
Why don't you start a poll to see who is the bigger idiot? I guarantee you won't like the results. lol.
You keeping going back to my ride which I find funny. Shows I'm getting under your skin. I built it with my bare hands in my garage. How much wrenching did you do on your LS6 or that FP tranny? lol. Thought so.
I'll be getting my 9 sec license this summer. Maybe you'll get yours in another 10yrs.... and another motor.
My apologies Poppa and Mappins for dirtying up the thread.
-Mark
03-31-2016, 01:30 PM
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I'm not asking you to pick sides......there really is no side here. The advancement in technology will change your mind on its own. These guys are tryin to specify one area where the development of one suspension since the horse and buggy debut might be better with no actual proof of it being better besides theories.
I simply have a open mind ans since there are no more sra cars out and 0-60 times are reduced and putting power down out of a corner is better my only conclusion can be irs makes better traction......period
Now by the time you want to backbrace your sra, weld arb to the alxe tube (not advised on half shafts unlike bitemark advised) and put a big enough set of slicks on it you couldn't spin on ice then yes sra can be competitive.
But is it better like they claim? Their argument seems weak
I simply have a open mind ans since there are no more sra cars out and 0-60 times are reduced and putting power down out of a corner is better my only conclusion can be irs makes better traction......period
Now by the time you want to backbrace your sra, weld arb to the alxe tube (not advised on half shafts unlike bitemark advised) and put a big enough set of slicks on it you couldn't spin on ice then yes sra can be competitive.
But is it better like they claim? Their argument seems weak
03-31-2016, 02:09 PM
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Claims his car was built for auto-x, uses SRA.
Claims IRS will do better at the strip, still uses SRA.
Would love to see Hio hit 8.9 with a .9 60ft if he would just swap in the beloved IRS.
03-31-2016, 03:36 PM
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You're right. I'm the idiot. lol. Is it because I:
- thought my car went 1.26 60' on DR's with only 417rwhp.
- Didn't know where are what the neutral centerline was.
- Didn't drill holes in my axle hubs for "weight reduction"
- Shall I go on? I have more.
I am far from closed minded. I unlike you try and help people on this site by posting in the DR section to help out fbody owners get their car faster at the track. Funny I don't see you posting much anywhere but here. Why is that?
Why don't you start a poll to see who is the bigger idiot? I guarantee you won't like the results. lol.
You keeping going back to my ride which I find funny. Shows I'm getting under your skin. I built it with my bare hands in my garage. How much wrenching did you do on your LS6 or that FP tranny? lol. Thought so.
I'll be getting my 9 sec license this summer. Maybe you'll get yours in another 10yrs.... and another motor.
My apologies Poppa and Mappins for dirtying up the thread.
-Mark
- thought my car went 1.26 60' on DR's with only 417rwhp.
- Didn't know where are what the neutral centerline was.
- Didn't drill holes in my axle hubs for "weight reduction"
- Shall I go on? I have more.
I am far from closed minded. I unlike you try and help people on this site by posting in the DR section to help out fbody owners get their car faster at the track. Funny I don't see you posting much anywhere but here. Why is that?
Why don't you start a poll to see who is the bigger idiot? I guarantee you won't like the results. lol.
You keeping going back to my ride which I find funny. Shows I'm getting under your skin. I built it with my bare hands in my garage. How much wrenching did you do on your LS6 or that FP tranny? lol. Thought so.
I'll be getting my 9 sec license this summer. Maybe you'll get yours in another 10yrs.... and another motor.
My apologies Poppa and Mappins for dirtying up the thread.
-Mark
I've did all the wrenching on my car sans sending the t56 to liberty......and i have fixed that once since. Nice reach tho.....as if i don't have enough pics of mods or explanations of mods on here. You tried....you ended up lookin stupid trying but you tried.
Your heep don't get under my skin. I find it laughable really.
Yea you help people alot around here. Post count anyone? Last time i remember seeing you post in the dr section MWC was telling you a tq arm car don't work like that. You should really just stick to putting big enough tires on your car that you know your weak *** engine can't turn.
Lolz.....you have nate on your side dude
He's the kid that ends up being last on team picks
Not really picking sides, the points you make are still valid. And, I agree we are going to see some huge improvements with IRS in the near future (especially when the aftermarket gets more involved). The biggest issue I see now is the inherent deflection in the IRS components that are basically non existent in SRA, making it better suited for drag purposes.
That big piece of steel we call a sra flexes to. The problem there is you can't really do anything about it besudes backbrace it. You are really more at the mercy of the tire to absorb than you are adjustments you have made to counter it.
I would also think irs would have to virtually eliminate tire shake as the tire resonance are no longer directly attached. Just a theory tho....it may have no effect at all.
So how much deflection does a sra have? Can you control it? Did you know toe can change too?
Did you know all of that can be adjusted for with irs? And not sra
Which why i said there is no clear line that sra is better than irs in drag racing. And we all know it's not as good at anything else.
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03-31-2016, 04:22 PM
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Yea ....i am right and You're a idiot. And it seems you like to stretch the truth as i told you about neutral. Remember you're the one that didn't think a irs car could have anti squat......and to validate that you think it can't have a arb either. You are ****** clueless dude.
Every car has AS you dolt. Some more so than others. Every car has a neutral centerline. Show me where I said "IRS cars have no AS". I'll wait.
As far as ARB's on IRS. I know on the body where it mounts but where on the rear? No worry, I found this. This is from one of company (Pfadt Racing) that make parts for some of the fastest vettes in the country (or so they say) .
And I quote: "Pfadt Camaro Balance Rear Sway Bar will make the IRS behave more like a solid axle by keeping the rear control arms in line. What happens on launch is the right rear compresses and the left rear lifts; the bar will help minimize this greatly."
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...04&postcount=3
So basically their bar is designed to turn an IRA rear into yup.... you guessed it... a SRA.
The deflection....which I'm assuming you mean in the bushings can be fixed with rod ends /solid bushings/ radius rods just like in any other suspension. Adjustments can also be made to irs to preload the settings if desired.....like a little toe in to help keep the car stable up top.
Here is a clue .... they are connected to the diff and the diff is where? lol.
LOL. Bushings he says. You just proved you have no idea what he and I are talking about.
Like shooting fish in a barrel.
03-31-2016, 06:27 PM
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Yea ....i am right and You're a idiot. And it seems you like to stretch the truth as i told you about neutral. Remember you're the one that didn't think a irs car could have anti squat......and to validate that you think it can't have a arb either. You are ****** clueless dude.
I've did all the wrenching on my car sans sending the t56 to liberty......and i have fixed that once since. Nice reach tho.....as if i don't have enough pics of mods or explanations of mods on here. You tried....you ended up lookin stupid trying but you tried.
Your heep don't get under my skin. I find it laughable really.
Yea you help people alot around here. Post count anyone? Last time i remember seeing you post in the dr section MWC was telling you a tq arm car don't work like that. You should really just stick to putting big enough tires on your car that you know your weak *** engine can't turn.
Lolz.....you have nate on your side dude
He's the kid that ends up being last on team picks
The deflection....which I'm assuming you mean in the bushings can be fixed with rod ends /solid bushings/ radius rods just like in any other suspension. Adjustments can also be made to irs to preload the settings if desired.....like a little toe in to help keep the car stable up top.
That big piece of steel we call a sra flexes to. The problem there is you can't really do anything about it besudes backbrace it. You are really more at the mercy of the tire to absorb than you are adjustments you have made to counter it.
I would also think irs would have to virtually eliminate tire shake as the tire resonance are no longer directly attached. Just a theory tho....it may have no effect at all.
There is no doubt it would be a better overall car with a good system.
I guess you didn't watch the vid.
So how much deflection does a sra have? Can you control it? Did you know toe can change too?
Did you know all of that can be adjusted for with irs? And not sra
It was easy and cost effective. A sra can handle well too. There are no set rules in stone here.
Which why i said there is no clear line that sra is better than irs in drag racing. And we all know it's not as good at anything else.
I've did all the wrenching on my car sans sending the t56 to liberty......and i have fixed that once since. Nice reach tho.....as if i don't have enough pics of mods or explanations of mods on here. You tried....you ended up lookin stupid trying but you tried.
Your heep don't get under my skin. I find it laughable really.
Yea you help people alot around here. Post count anyone? Last time i remember seeing you post in the dr section MWC was telling you a tq arm car don't work like that. You should really just stick to putting big enough tires on your car that you know your weak *** engine can't turn.
Lolz.....you have nate on your side dude
He's the kid that ends up being last on team picks
The deflection....which I'm assuming you mean in the bushings can be fixed with rod ends /solid bushings/ radius rods just like in any other suspension. Adjustments can also be made to irs to preload the settings if desired.....like a little toe in to help keep the car stable up top.
That big piece of steel we call a sra flexes to. The problem there is you can't really do anything about it besudes backbrace it. You are really more at the mercy of the tire to absorb than you are adjustments you have made to counter it.
I would also think irs would have to virtually eliminate tire shake as the tire resonance are no longer directly attached. Just a theory tho....it may have no effect at all.
There is no doubt it would be a better overall car with a good system.
I guess you didn't watch the vid.
So how much deflection does a sra have? Can you control it? Did you know toe can change too?
Did you know all of that can be adjusted for with irs? And not sra
It was easy and cost effective. A sra can handle well too. There are no set rules in stone here.
Which why i said there is no clear line that sra is better than irs in drag racing. And we all know it's not as good at anything else.
