Supercharger or turbo for street racing a 6 speed ?
06-27-2017, 11:29 AM
#61
If you have half a brain and plan ahead you can make a turbo setup without any of those issues. My turbo setup is garage built, runs cool with a small low mount radiator, slim SPAL fans pull plenty of air, has same ground clearance as stock, hasn't melted anything, and is easy to change plugs. It was also cheaper to put together then any bolton turbo or blower kit on the market.
Blowers often have heat soak issues in addition to belt slip. Positive displacement blower guys often chase cooling issues with upgrading intercooler pumps, reservoirs, heat exchangers, etc. Then they chase tensioners and belt wrap issues, rip cut pulleys, idlers, changing crank pulleys, etc.. Blower setups often weight more as well, my 76mm was 20lbs, my 1.9L blower was over 70lbs. Plan on carrying a spare belt and tools as well, not unusual for a blower to chuck a belt.
Blowers often have heat soak issues in addition to belt slip. Positive displacement blower guys often chase cooling issues with upgrading intercooler pumps, reservoirs, heat exchangers, etc. Then they chase tensioners and belt wrap issues, rip cut pulleys, idlers, changing crank pulleys, etc.. Blower setups often weight more as well, my 76mm was 20lbs, my 1.9L blower was over 70lbs. Plan on carrying a spare belt and tools as well, not unusual for a blower to chuck a belt.
I do agree about positive displacement type blowers running into heat soak issues, that does seem to be common, but other than a lousy m112 or something they don't apply to fbodys.
In your weight comment are you including the downpipe and crossover piping too? Comparing a turbo to blower weight only is kind of useless unless you include the entire hotwire since they're drastically different....how much do 14awg headers weigh?
06-27-2017, 11:42 AM
#62
Nobody's talking about a custom turbo kit. The majority of people buy off the shelf kits and end up running into problems due to fitment or other issues. This has happened for over a decade. I agree most have half a brain though lol.
I do agree about positive displacement type blowers running into heat soak issues, that does seem to be common, but other than a lousy m112 or something they don't apply to fbodys.
In your weight comment are you including the downpipe and crossover piping too? Comparing a turbo to blower weight only is kind of useless unless you include the entire hotwire since they're drastically different....how much do 14awg headers weigh?
I do agree about positive displacement type blowers running into heat soak issues, that does seem to be common, but other than a lousy m112 or something they don't apply to fbodys.
In your weight comment are you including the downpipe and crossover piping too? Comparing a turbo to blower weight only is kind of useless unless you include the entire hotwire since they're drastically different....how much do 14awg headers weigh?
Set of Kooks long tube headers vs turbo manifolds is pretty much a wash. I used stainless up and forward headers that don't weigh much at all.
An open downpipe turbo car is also quieter then an open header car so factor in the weight of a muffler or mid pipe to keep things reasonable if its a street car.
Either way I think either setup can work great if you set it up properly. Really comes down to how well you can drive and get traction on the street.
06-27-2017, 12:32 PM
#63
Sadly most shelf turbo kits are junk.
Set of Kooks long tube headers vs turbo manifolds is pretty much a wash. I used stainless up and forward headers that don't weigh much at all.
An open downpipe turbo car is also quieter then an open header car so factor in the weight of a muffler or mid pipe to keep things reasonable if its a street car.
Either way I think either setup can work great if you set it up properly. Really comes down to how well you can drive and get traction on the street.
Set of Kooks long tube headers vs turbo manifolds is pretty much a wash. I used stainless up and forward headers that don't weigh much at all.
An open downpipe turbo car is also quieter then an open header car so factor in the weight of a muffler or mid pipe to keep things reasonable if its a street car.
Either way I think either setup can work great if you set it up properly. Really comes down to how well you can drive and get traction on the street.
My JBA 16 awg turbo shorty headers felt WAY heavier than my 1 7/8 SE long tubes, but now I wish I weighed them.
True that it does come down to stuff just being done right....enough turbo vs. blower argument in Alchemists other thread lol.
06-27-2017, 12:38 PM
#64
There is no comparing turbo kit issues vs. blower kit issues. Everyone has some problem or another with their turbo kit:
1) Cooling issues
2) Fan don't fit or dont move enough CFM's
2) Ground clearance unless you elect to have a turbo K member
3) Melting random crap cause you have twice the piping on a turbo kit that runs near A/C lines or electrical stuff.
4) Plug access
Blowers typically have belt slip issues.
1) Cooling issues
2) Fan don't fit or dont move enough CFM's
2) Ground clearance unless you elect to have a turbo K member
3) Melting random crap cause you have twice the piping on a turbo kit that runs near A/C lines or electrical stuff.
4) Plug access
Blowers typically have belt slip issues.
06-27-2017, 01:10 PM
#66
06-27-2017, 02:19 PM
#68
06-27-2017, 03:41 PM
#71
There is no comparing turbo kit issues vs. blower kit issues. Everyone has some problem or another with their turbo kit:
1) Cooling issues
2) Fan don't fit or dont move enough CFM's
2) Ground clearance unless you elect to have a turbo K member
3) Melting random crap cause you have twice the piping on a turbo kit that runs near A/C lines or electrical stuff.
4) Plug access
Blowers typically have belt slip issues.
1) Cooling issues
2) Fan don't fit or dont move enough CFM's
2) Ground clearance unless you elect to have a turbo K member
3) Melting random crap cause you have twice the piping on a turbo kit that runs near A/C lines or electrical stuff.
4) Plug access
Blowers typically have belt slip issues.
06-27-2017, 03:45 PM
#72
I can post literally the same pixture....in FL summer with my blower car 
PS....I just missed the best part of that pic, you don't have a 98 right? Congrats you have no clue what your actually temp is. 99 and later coolant temp gauges are idiot lights. They show the same on the gauge from like 180 to 230.
PS....I just missed the best part of that pic, you don't have a 98 right? Congrats you have no clue what your actually temp is. 99 and later coolant temp gauges are idiot lights. They show the same on the gauge from like 180 to 230.
06-27-2017, 04:10 PM
#76
You and game make the weakest arguments and talk out both sides of your mouth. You compare custom made turbo kits to off the shelf bolt on blower kits and ignore ALL the negatives about turbo kits that have been documented on this site for a decade or more because allegedly your custom kits have never had any issue ever from day 1. But then trivialize low-end and turbo lag cause it "doesn't exist".
06-27-2017, 04:18 PM
#77
I can post literally the same pixture....in FL summer with my blower car
PS....I just missed the best part of that pic, you don't have a 98 right? Congrats you have no clue what your actually temp is. 99 and later coolant temp gauges are idiot lights. They show the same on the gauge from like 180 to 230.
PS....I just missed the best part of that pic, you don't have a 98 right? Congrats you have no clue what your actually temp is. 99 and later coolant temp gauges are idiot lights. They show the same on the gauge from like 180 to 230.
06-27-2017, 04:27 PM
#79
Now I know you're a dumbass, I wasn't sure, but this confirms it. My turbo street car was better than anything you think you've built. It drove like stock with AC, ran 10s at 3800lbs on 93 octane at 8psi driving to and from the track, and needed nothing but oil changes and spark plugs for like 8 years. I'm the perfect candidate for making the turbo argument...but I'm not cause I can actually be objective instead of believing that ignorance is bliss.
You and game make the weakest arguments and talk out both sides of your mouth. You compare custom made turbo kits to off the shelf bolt on blower kits and ignore ALL the negatives about turbo kits that have been documented on this site for a decade or more because allegedly your custom kits have never had any issue ever from day 1. But then trivialize low-end and turbo lag cause it "doesn't exist".
You and game make the weakest arguments and talk out both sides of your mouth. You compare custom made turbo kits to off the shelf bolt on blower kits and ignore ALL the negatives about turbo kits that have been documented on this site for a decade or more because allegedly your custom kits have never had any issue ever from day 1. But then trivialize low-end and turbo lag cause it "doesn't exist".
06-27-2017, 04:29 PM
#80
Ive built the motor....changed turbos....radiator....built my own transmission....and rear end. Let's hear about what you've built sir.