Which Brodix Heads?.. or AFR?
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No, the Pro-Filers are actually pretty cheap compared to a CNC Brodix... Out of the box from Pro-Filer they are $900 bare and will flow 300 with a 2.08 valve..Pretty Impressive.. This is a 210 head.. I talked to Chad Speier at www.speierracingheads.com about them and he was cool enough to send one up for me to look at free of charge.. If you havent bought heads yet, I would definitly give him a call... He is a professional head porter, so he has had just about everything across his bench to test.. I should be getting my heads from him within the next week or so... I am sure the cams will be pretty similar, since BUllet, is pretty much the old Ultradyne, which Harold Brookshire designed.... Do you know what the grind number of cam is you ordered???
I will be dynoing my engine within the next month or so..whenever I get it finished... I will share results, it should be interesting
I will be dynoing my engine within the next month or so..whenever I get it finished... I will share results, it should be interesting
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Cool, If you havent ordered the cam yet, give Harold a call. He is a really informative and cool guy to talk to..Very smart dude. He has a VERY long history of designing cams. Here is a short history
Since you asked, I'll give everyone a very very short history of me, so you'll know where I came from.
1969---Went to work for State of Mississippi as computer operator, rose to be lead operator at CDPA, Central Data Processing Agency.
1972---Began working on cam design program in my spare time.
Dec 15, 1972---Sold 310AP SBC solid to Reed Cams, Georgia, for $125.00.
1973---Made $3000 selling to Reed, Isky, Engle, Norris.
1974---Designed Reed's RxxxULX line of rollers, and a lot more, including Benny Parson's 1975 Daytona 500-winning cam. Also Shirl Greer's TF/FC NHRA National Champion Nitro Funny car cam, designed for Norris, and it was a True Chrysler flat tappet, with .438" lobe lift.
1974---Became General Kinetics' cam designer, worked with people like Bill Jenkins and Jack Roush on the cams for their ProStockers.
1976---Jenkins wins Pro Stock Natinal Championship, with GK doing large-barrel cams.
1977---I start in January with Competion Cams, as their original cam designer. Over the next 3 years, I design them hundreds of cams, including the 268 High Energy. I introduce them to the unsymmetrical cam.
1979---I write them their 1st in-house cam design program. Before that, we shared a program with Cam Dynamics.
1980---After negotiating since late 1976 for some stock ownership in Competition Cams, I leave and start UltraDyne on April 1st, 1980. The 1st month I design the 288/296F5 and the 288/296R6, the 2 most popular cams I ever made.
1981---In September, I hire my 1st employee, Mike O'Neal, who ran my shop, made all my models and masters, etc.
1982---We're running 2 shifts, from 7:00 AM to 12:00 PM. Tim Goolsby comes to work for me, he is Mike's brother-in-law. I also design UltraDyne's first hydraulic cams, such as the 272, the 276, the 288/296H.
From then on until 2000, we all just worked. UltraDyne grossed over $1.2 Million a year from 1990 to 1999.
2000---A number of independent factors began to take their toll---Federal Mogul acquiring my 2 major solid lifter core manufacturers, and their later Chapter 11, Lifter companies disappearring, tremendous cash-flow problems in the end of 2000, initially triggered by the UPS strike---We lost around $50,000 in the strike.
2001---A un-named cam company in Memphis hires 8 of my 12 employees, and 2 more just leave because they think --that's it. Only Tim and Gail are left with me.
2001-2003---UltraDyne is in the Chapter 11 'Death Spiral'. I take a $0 salary for 2002, and pump all my, and my wife's, retirment money into UltraDyne, along with all the equity I could get on my house, etc, etc, etc.
June 2003---Everything is gone, the government locks the doors.
August 2003---I go to work at Lunati, charged with completely re-doing their entire line of cams. Mike is already there, waiting for me, along with Steve Slavik, who worked for me for 13 years (Mike for 19...). Then I meet the corporate world.....
Oct 2004---Lunati introduces the VooDoo cams. And they really work good.....
This has been the line and times of a cam designer, and even with the down sides, it has been the time of my life, and I'm going to stay at it as long as I can.....
No comments are necessary, you are all a great bunch, and as that Great American, Minnie Pearl, said, "I'm just so proud to be here!"
Thanks,
UDHarold
He does free lance stuff now, and his design cams are ground at Lunati. I just got mine in yesterday. His number is 662-562-4933.
Since you asked, I'll give everyone a very very short history of me, so you'll know where I came from.
1969---Went to work for State of Mississippi as computer operator, rose to be lead operator at CDPA, Central Data Processing Agency.
1972---Began working on cam design program in my spare time.
Dec 15, 1972---Sold 310AP SBC solid to Reed Cams, Georgia, for $125.00.
1973---Made $3000 selling to Reed, Isky, Engle, Norris.
1974---Designed Reed's RxxxULX line of rollers, and a lot more, including Benny Parson's 1975 Daytona 500-winning cam. Also Shirl Greer's TF/FC NHRA National Champion Nitro Funny car cam, designed for Norris, and it was a True Chrysler flat tappet, with .438" lobe lift.
1974---Became General Kinetics' cam designer, worked with people like Bill Jenkins and Jack Roush on the cams for their ProStockers.
1976---Jenkins wins Pro Stock Natinal Championship, with GK doing large-barrel cams.
1977---I start in January with Competion Cams, as their original cam designer. Over the next 3 years, I design them hundreds of cams, including the 268 High Energy. I introduce them to the unsymmetrical cam.
1979---I write them their 1st in-house cam design program. Before that, we shared a program with Cam Dynamics.
1980---After negotiating since late 1976 for some stock ownership in Competition Cams, I leave and start UltraDyne on April 1st, 1980. The 1st month I design the 288/296F5 and the 288/296R6, the 2 most popular cams I ever made.
1981---In September, I hire my 1st employee, Mike O'Neal, who ran my shop, made all my models and masters, etc.
1982---We're running 2 shifts, from 7:00 AM to 12:00 PM. Tim Goolsby comes to work for me, he is Mike's brother-in-law. I also design UltraDyne's first hydraulic cams, such as the 272, the 276, the 288/296H.
From then on until 2000, we all just worked. UltraDyne grossed over $1.2 Million a year from 1990 to 1999.
2000---A number of independent factors began to take their toll---Federal Mogul acquiring my 2 major solid lifter core manufacturers, and their later Chapter 11, Lifter companies disappearring, tremendous cash-flow problems in the end of 2000, initially triggered by the UPS strike---We lost around $50,000 in the strike.
2001---A un-named cam company in Memphis hires 8 of my 12 employees, and 2 more just leave because they think --that's it. Only Tim and Gail are left with me.
2001-2003---UltraDyne is in the Chapter 11 'Death Spiral'. I take a $0 salary for 2002, and pump all my, and my wife's, retirment money into UltraDyne, along with all the equity I could get on my house, etc, etc, etc.
June 2003---Everything is gone, the government locks the doors.
August 2003---I go to work at Lunati, charged with completely re-doing their entire line of cams. Mike is already there, waiting for me, along with Steve Slavik, who worked for me for 13 years (Mike for 19...). Then I meet the corporate world.....
Oct 2004---Lunati introduces the VooDoo cams. And they really work good.....
This has been the line and times of a cam designer, and even with the down sides, it has been the time of my life, and I'm going to stay at it as long as I can.....
No comments are necessary, you are all a great bunch, and as that Great American, Minnie Pearl, said, "I'm just so proud to be here!"
Thanks,
UDHarold
He does free lance stuff now, and his design cams are ground at Lunati. I just got mine in yesterday. His number is 662-562-4933.
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No one's mentioned Dart?
I'm running the Dart Pro 1s 227 CNC'd heads/top-end combo. They flow 319cfm at .700".
Have em on my 388ci stroker, Comp Cams solid roller (.260/.270, .688/.689). Seems to run fine . No numbers or times yet...still finishing up the nitrous install.
Anyway...just throwing it out there...haven't used other products so I honestly can't compare it to anything else.
I'm running the Dart Pro 1s 227 CNC'd heads/top-end combo. They flow 319cfm at .700".
Have em on my 388ci stroker, Comp Cams solid roller (.260/.270, .688/.689). Seems to run fine . No numbers or times yet...still finishing up the nitrous install.
Anyway...just throwing it out there...haven't used other products so I honestly can't compare it to anything else.
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dont sleep on the rhs heads either..there a good head also and know of a couple running 5 teens an up on 275 cars..
the new profilers that chad an dr j do look killer and run killer..im waiting to see what they do in a all out race engine.
you cant go wrong with dart 227s or 230s with port work
an brodix -11s and trk 1's are also killer..
i know your pump gas and now all out but i always like to look at what a head can do all out also because where all speed junkys and down the road we might just want to up the level and theres no sinse of buying parts twice.
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...ghlight=brodix
go threw that thread heads being used get posted a couple pages in.
the new profilers that chad an dr j do look killer and run killer..im waiting to see what they do in a all out race engine.
you cant go wrong with dart 227s or 230s with port work
an brodix -11s and trk 1's are also killer..
i know your pump gas and now all out but i always like to look at what a head can do all out also because where all speed junkys and down the road we might just want to up the level and theres no sinse of buying parts twice.
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...ghlight=brodix
go threw that thread heads being used get posted a couple pages in.
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dont sleep on the rhs heads either..there a good head also and know of a couple running 5 teens an up on 275 cars..
the new profilers that chad an dr j do look killer and run killer..im waiting to see what they do in a all out race engine.
you cant go wrong with dart 227s or 230s with port work
an brodix -11s and trk 1's are also killer..
i know your pump gas and now all out but i always like to look at what a head can do all out also because where all speed junkys and down the road we might just want to up the level and theres no sinse of buying parts twice.
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...ghlight=brodix
go threw that thread heads being used get posted a couple pages in.
the new profilers that chad an dr j do look killer and run killer..im waiting to see what they do in a all out race engine.
you cant go wrong with dart 227s or 230s with port work
an brodix -11s and trk 1's are also killer..
i know your pump gas and now all out but i always like to look at what a head can do all out also because where all speed junkys and down the road we might just want to up the level and theres no sinse of buying parts twice.
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...ghlight=brodix
go threw that thread heads being used get posted a couple pages in.
#26
I could be wrong but with 11.0 cr I don't think you will see the absolute most potential out of any head larger than what you have. You deffinatly made a good choice especially if they saved you money.