New to BBC's. Need Advice on Build up.
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New to BBC's. Need Advice on Build up.
Well I am new to the forums here and new to Big Blocks. I just finished a Modular OHC mustang build up and am now helping a bud with his BBC build up for his 79 Camaro.
I have been reading up for a cpl weeks on here and it seems like a great forum!
Currently we have:
Block = 3999289 With stock internals
Heads = 338781 With stock valvetrain
Weiand 7554 Intake Manifold (can be found Link
Holly 750 double pumper
Also have an Erickson Cam but don't have the specs on it right now
We are going to attempt to hand port the heads, at least a good gasket match. We also have a set of headers that are probably going to have to be massaged to fit.
I have a ton of questions. Our goal is to have a NA budget strip car (non-competitive).
With the parts that we currently have what kind of compression ratio are we looking at?
What's an estimation of power output when staying with the stock parts ported and given that we have the right cam for the application?
I am pretty sure he has enough money in his budget to pick up a set of pistons and connecting rods to raise the compression. We aren't sure of what kind of rpm the stock valvetrain will go up too though.
Any thoughts comments or advice would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
I have been reading up for a cpl weeks on here and it seems like a great forum!
Currently we have:
Block = 3999289 With stock internals
Heads = 338781 With stock valvetrain
Weiand 7554 Intake Manifold (can be found Link
Holly 750 double pumper
Also have an Erickson Cam but don't have the specs on it right now
We are going to attempt to hand port the heads, at least a good gasket match. We also have a set of headers that are probably going to have to be massaged to fit.
I have a ton of questions. Our goal is to have a NA budget strip car (non-competitive).
With the parts that we currently have what kind of compression ratio are we looking at?
What's an estimation of power output when staying with the stock parts ported and given that we have the right cam for the application?
I am pretty sure he has enough money in his budget to pick up a set of pistons and connecting rods to raise the compression. We aren't sure of what kind of rpm the stock valvetrain will go up too though.
Any thoughts comments or advice would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
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Good choice on the heads. Not sure if you got them on purpose or not, but they're a very good open chamber iron head. BTW, I think they're 336781s.
If you need to look up BBC casting info, mortec.com is the place to go.
Heads:
336781.....73-85...oval...OPEN...454, 118cc chamber, 256/114cc ports
Block:
3999289....454.......71-79...2 or 4 bolt, some "CE" replacement blocks had four bolt main caps
Stock compression should be fairly low. High 8s with a flat-top if I were to guess. Get a set of domed pistons in the 10-15cc range and it'll be a nice setup.
If you need to look up BBC casting info, mortec.com is the place to go.
Heads:
336781.....73-85...oval...OPEN...454, 118cc chamber, 256/114cc ports
Block:
3999289....454.......71-79...2 or 4 bolt, some "CE" replacement blocks had four bolt main caps
Stock compression should be fairly low. High 8s with a flat-top if I were to guess. Get a set of domed pistons in the 10-15cc range and it'll be a nice setup.
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Do you know what kind of cam would work best if we did get 10-15 cc domed pistons?
I noticed that even with the pistons in the link below that It will only yeild about 10.4:1 compression. pistons
Is there any reason we can't run a higher compression?
And we actually lucked out on the heads. Didn't get them on purpose. Got a running 454 for 650 the other weekend.
I noticed that even with the pistons in the link below that It will only yeild about 10.4:1 compression. pistons
Is there any reason we can't run a higher compression?
And we actually lucked out on the heads. Didn't get them on purpose. Got a running 454 for 650 the other weekend.
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Originally Posted by MODMUSTANG
Do you know what kind of cam would work best if we did get 10-15 cc domed pistons?
I noticed that even with the pistons in the link below that It will only yeild about 10.4:1 compression. pistons
Is there any reason we can't run a higher compression?
And we actually lucked out on the heads. Didn't get them on purpose. Got a running 454 for 650 the other weekend.
I noticed that even with the pistons in the link below that It will only yeild about 10.4:1 compression. pistons
Is there any reason we can't run a higher compression?
And we actually lucked out on the heads. Didn't get them on purpose. Got a running 454 for 650 the other weekend.
I'm sure you could run higher compression, but 10.4 on an all-motor BBC will be pretty nice on the street.
Not sure on a cam. Might want to give a couple cam companies a call (Cam Motion, Isky, Comp, etc). If it were me, I'd go with one of Isky's 270 cams. They should be on their site (somewhere). You can also get some good ideas on here:
http://www.enginecombination.com
Best of luck.
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the weak point on bbc heads is the exhaust. you said you were gunna port them yourself, i heard the key to good flow numbers is working the exhaust ports so work them over really good.
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Damn, nice deal indeed.
I'm sure you could run higher compression, but 10.4 on an all-motor BBC will be pretty nice on the street.
Not sure on a cam. Might want to give a couple cam companies a call (Cam Motion, Isky, Comp, etc). If it were me, I'd go with one of Isky's 270 cams. They should be on their site (somewhere). You can also get some good ideas on here:
http://www.enginecombination.com
Best of luck.
I'm sure you could run higher compression, but 10.4 on an all-motor BBC will be pretty nice on the street.
Not sure on a cam. Might want to give a couple cam companies a call (Cam Motion, Isky, Comp, etc). If it were me, I'd go with one of Isky's 270 cams. They should be on their site (somewhere). You can also get some good ideas on here:
http://www.enginecombination.com
Best of luck.
Thanks for the link! I will register today and check it out.
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the weak point on bbc heads is the exhaust. you said you were gunna port them yourself, i heard the key to good flow numbers is working the exhaust ports so work them over really good.
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Originally Posted by MODMUSTANG
Thanks for the link! I will register today and check it out.
Thanks for the advice. We have another set to practice on incase something goes wrong.
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Cam is a Erson E120421.
Specs are
296 IN
296 EX
228 @.050 IN
228 @.050 EX
Lift .542 IN
Lift .542 EX
Lobe Center 111 Degrees.
Can I use this cam on a stock motor with the oval port heads without PTV contact or valve spring bind?
Specs are
296 IN
296 EX
228 @.050 IN
228 @.050 EX
Lift .542 IN
Lift .542 EX
Lobe Center 111 Degrees.
Can I use this cam on a stock motor with the oval port heads without PTV contact or valve spring bind?