sbc vs. LS7
10-26-2006, 05:32 PM
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sbc vs. LS7 Just curious, don't know much about the sbc.
Is there more power/torque to be had from using, say a 427 sbc in an F-Body over an LS7 engine. All parts being equal.
I would suppose there are better heads for the sbc and intakes like a Beck or Hogan would be used for both.
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Is there more power/torque to be had from using, say a 427 sbc in an F-Body over an LS7 engine. All parts being equal.
I would suppose there are better heads for the sbc and intakes like a Beck or Hogan would be used for both.
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10-26-2006, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 91Z28
Depends on what heads you use. 15 degree heads, SB2.2, etc can all flow enough to make LS7 like numbers. Probably won't get there with 23 degree heads though.
So, basically, an LS7 with the best stuff will simply be better?
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10-26-2006, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Quickin
So, you're saying that a sbc with the best stuff will just match the LS7 flow potential?
So, basically, an LS7 with the best stuff will simply be better?
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So, basically, an LS7 with the best stuff will simply be better?
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10-26-2006, 09:52 PM
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Keep in mind the camshaft spends most of its time a mid lift, peak numbers are just part of the bigger picture. I would bet money that the LS7 head out powers the SB2 head in the lower to mid flow numbers. Anytime you compare aged technology to new the new is most allways going to come out on top.
10-26-2006, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 91Z28
It depends on how wild you are willing to go. SB2.2 stuff can flow well over 400cfm. On a 427 you can imagine what kind of power that would make. I don't think the ultimate flow potential of the LS7 head has been reached yet, but I've seen them in the 370s.
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10-27-2006, 12:00 PM
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Keep in mind the camshaft spends most of its time a mid lift, peak numbers are just part of the bigger picture. I would bet money that the LS7 head out powers the SB2 head in the lower to mid flow numbers. Anytime you compare aged technology to new the new is most allways going to come out on top.
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10-29-2006, 09:17 AM
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Pretty sure they also make 10 degree heads also and the SB2 stuff is really small CC's so helps out with lowend TQ.There are some guys making 650 rwhp with alot less cubes then the ls7......www.ramracing.us.....Check them guys they run all motor and go some pretty crazy #'s.
10-31-2006, 01:49 AM
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sb2 heads are wonderful but they are not the top head for a sbc dart and brodix both make canted valve heads that work great htey flow in the 390 cfm range aswell but wont likely work for a street motor
11-01-2006, 01:45 PM
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SBC is a better platform if you want to make insane amounts of power for a decent price (try building a ls7)... i know for a fact with as much as the LS7 cost I could build a SBC that would whip the **** out of it all day long....
The ls7 aint god or nothing. You people need to quit acting like it is.
You f orget they still make 18* heads and **** for the SBC... all with new technology in them...
The ls7 aint god or nothing. You people need to quit acting like it is.
You f orget they still make 18* heads and **** for the SBC... all with new technology in them...
11-07-2006, 07:54 AM
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I agree..For the $13,000 a LS7 crate engine cost i could build a SBC that would lay waste to it. This bandwagon **** is getting old. They both are excellent platforms and both have endless potential. Yes out of the crate the LS7 owns, but it should! it's brand freaking new and more modern. but, once you start modifying **** that all goes out the window. Then the SBC steps up and can hold it's own. I would say the deciding factor would be the ultimate goal for the engine and how deep your pockets are.
11-07-2006, 09:59 AM
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BrianEsser,
For your build also consider fuel mileage, low speed driveability, weight and handling.
Makes things a bit harder than just building a motor to top out the LS7 on HP alone.
Dennis
For your build also consider fuel mileage, low speed driveability, weight and handling.
Makes things a bit harder than just building a motor to top out the LS7 on HP alone.
Dennis
11-07-2006, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Big-DEN
BrianEsser,
For your build also consider fuel mileage, low speed driveability, weight and handling.
Makes things a bit harder than just building a motor to top out the LS7 on HP alone.
Dennis
For your build also consider fuel mileage, low speed driveability, weight and handling.
Makes things a bit harder than just building a motor to top out the LS7 on HP alone.
Dennis
11-07-2006, 09:28 PM
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Im in the middle of a 18* build up checkout this thread for pics and info.
18* SBC build
progress has come to a hault on it due to a new project.I know ,u should always finish what u started.
18* SBC build
progress has come to a hault on it due to a new project.I know ,u should always finish what u started.
11-08-2006, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by UCABlackChevy
Street/Strip car = LSX
All out drag car = SBC/BBC
All out drag car = SBC/BBC
Yes, the LS7 comes with much better heads (and tuning ability) from the factory, and since we're trying to make the comparison fair, why not take a 427 Motown SBC crate engine, throw on a set of Aero heads, top it off with a Holley Stealth Ram (w/it's ECU), and compare them then. Price range should be about the same for both engine's, give or take a few grand...
11-11-2006, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Street Lethal
I'll have to disagree with you there. Maybe once upon a time, yes, the LSX engine family were much better suited for the street/strip... but technology has definitely changed how we look at the SBC generation.
Yes, the LS7 comes with much better heads (and tuning ability) from the factory, and since we're trying to make the comparison fair, why not take a 427 Motown SBC crate engine, throw on a set of Aero heads, top it off with a Holley Stealth Ram (w/it's ECU), and compare them then. Price range should be about the same for both engine's, give or take a few grand...
Yes, the LS7 comes with much better heads (and tuning ability) from the factory, and since we're trying to make the comparison fair, why not take a 427 Motown SBC crate engine, throw on a set of Aero heads, top it off with a Holley Stealth Ram (w/it's ECU), and compare them then. Price range should be about the same for both engine's, give or take a few grand...
Couldnt be said any better........
11-13-2006, 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Street Lethal
I'll have to disagree with you there. Maybe once upon a time, yes, the LSX engine family were much better suited for the street/strip... but technology has definitely changed how we look at the SBC generation.
Yes, the LS7 comes with much better heads (and tuning ability) from the factory, and since we're trying to make the comparison fair, why not take a 427 Motown SBC crate engine, throw on a set of Aero heads, top it off with a Holley Stealth Ram (w/it's ECU), and compare them then. Price range should be about the same for both engine's, give or take a few grand...
Yes, the LS7 comes with much better heads (and tuning ability) from the factory, and since we're trying to make the comparison fair, why not take a 427 Motown SBC crate engine, throw on a set of Aero heads, top it off with a Holley Stealth Ram (w/it's ECU), and compare them then. Price range should be about the same for both engine's, give or take a few grand...
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