difference between T/A and WS6 T/A?
03-10-2009 | 08:13 PM
#22
theblueknight pretty much hit it on the head
if i were buying a car and leaving it stock, sure i'd take a ws6 over a stock trans am. since i had no plans of leaving my car stock though, i bought a trans am for $3k less than what i would have payed for a ws6. then for $1k i did a full exhaust and almost full suspension. everything the ws6 has performance-wise and a bunch more.
if i were buying a car and leaving it stock, sure i'd take a ws6 over a stock trans am. since i had no plans of leaving my car stock though, i bought a trans am for $3k less than what i would have payed for a ws6. then for $1k i did a full exhaust and almost full suspension. everything the ws6 has performance-wise and a bunch more.
03-11-2009 | 03:50 AM
#23
Fine if people want to argue and even critique what I wrote. Then top this.
1999 Black Trans Am-SLP loudmouth only 317whp/329wtq 85*day on a dynojet.
2001 Red Trans Am WS6- SLP loudmouth only 310whp/320wtq on a 84* day on the same dyno jet with roughly the same air temp and atmospheric pressure. The 2001 came with Ram Air, "LS6 MANIFOLD and CLUTCH" ,and the 17" rims. Both are M6...
WS6 doesn't mean **** other than a hood and rims straight up, it just looks better. In my case the 99 made more stock than the infamous RAM AIR WS6. ^^^ following what thereacreeper said above too
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1999 Black Trans Am-SLP loudmouth only 317whp/329wtq 85*day on a dynojet.
2001 Red Trans Am WS6- SLP loudmouth only 310whp/320wtq on a 84* day on the same dyno jet with roughly the same air temp and atmospheric pressure. The 2001 came with Ram Air, "LS6 MANIFOLD and CLUTCH" ,and the 17" rims. Both are M6...
WS6 doesn't mean **** other than a hood and rims straight up, it just looks better. In my case the 99 made more stock than the infamous RAM AIR WS6. ^^^ following what thereacreeper said above too
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03-11-2009 | 08:15 AM
#24
keep in mind the 01's+02's also have a slightly smaller cam^
although they also have slightly better flowing exhaust manifolds, no EGR tube hanging down in front of the opening, and better heads.
bottom line is they all make almost the exact same amount of power.
the day/dyno/how well it was maintained/year all make a bigger difference than what model the car is.
although they also have slightly better flowing exhaust manifolds, no EGR tube hanging down in front of the opening, and better heads.
bottom line is they all make almost the exact same amount of power.
the day/dyno/how well it was maintained/year all make a bigger difference than what model the car is.
03-11-2009 | 11:28 AM
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03-11-2009 | 01:02 PM
#28
WoW Im surprised no ones posted that the WS6 come strait from the factory with the 427 LS7 engine and runs 11's stock Jeez I thought everyone knew the ws6 was way better then every other ls1 powered f-body ever built J/K
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03-11-2009 | 01:33 PM
#30
dude you should of just searched. the power difference between a TA and WS6 is pretty insignificant, only mild differences would be whether its an A4 or M6, and rear end gearing. other than that its appearance.
03-11-2009 | 01:49 PM
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Wow this thread turned into alot of pointless dribble.
Anyway to the Original Poster.
The difference between a Formula and a Trans Am are the exterior appearence Front fascia, side skirts, rear bumper cover, uplever spoiler.
after that the Trans Am has T-tops leather seats and Keyless entry std. over a base Formula. The drivetrains and suspensions are identical to any other F-body.
The WS6 option adds Ram Air hood, raised airbox, powersteering cooler, 32mm front swaybar, 1LE Springs (`96-early 2000 only), different valved Decarbon shocks, 17x9" wheels 275/40/17 tires, and a low restriction exhaust.
Auto equipped WS6's required the GU5 3.23 gear set. but at an extra cost.
BTW the WS6 option was available on Formula's and Trans Am's from `96-00 and Trans Am's exclusively in `01-02.
There is no noticeable power difference between a Std. Car and a WS6 Car.
Quarter mile and Skidpad numbers show desrepencies towards both cars.
LIke said before in the end stock to stock it's a Drivers race.
Anyway to the Original Poster.
The difference between a Formula and a Trans Am are the exterior appearence Front fascia, side skirts, rear bumper cover, uplever spoiler.
after that the Trans Am has T-tops leather seats and Keyless entry std. over a base Formula. The drivetrains and suspensions are identical to any other F-body.
The WS6 option adds Ram Air hood, raised airbox, powersteering cooler, 32mm front swaybar, 1LE Springs (`96-early 2000 only), different valved Decarbon shocks, 17x9" wheels 275/40/17 tires, and a low restriction exhaust.
Auto equipped WS6's required the GU5 3.23 gear set. but at an extra cost.
BTW the WS6 option was available on Formula's and Trans Am's from `96-00 and Trans Am's exclusively in `01-02.
There is no noticeable power difference between a Std. Car and a WS6 Car.
Quarter mile and Skidpad numbers show desrepencies towards both cars.
LIke said before in the end stock to stock it's a Drivers race.
03-11-2009 | 01:54 PM
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Wow this thread turned into alot of pointless dribble.
Anyway to the Original Poster.
The difference between a Formula and a Trans Am are the exterior appearence Front fascia, side skirts, rear bumper cover, uplever spoiler.
after that the Trans Am has T-tops leather seats and Keyless entry std. over a base Formula. The drivetrains and suspensions are identical to any other F-body.
The WS6 option adds Ram Air hood, raised airbox, powersteering cooler, 32mm front swaybar, 1LE Springs (`96-early 2000 only), different valved Decarbon shocks, 17x9" wheels 275/40/17 tires, and a low restriction exhaust.
Auto equipped WS6's required the GU5 3.23 gear set. but at an extra cost.
BTW the WS6 option was available on Formula's and Trans Am's from `96-00 and Trans Am's exclusively in `01-02.
There is no noticeable power difference between a Std. Car and a WS6 Car.
Quarter mile and Skidpad numbers show desrepencies towards both cars.
LIke said before in the end stock to stock it's a Drivers race.
Anyway to the Original Poster.
The difference between a Formula and a Trans Am are the exterior appearence Front fascia, side skirts, rear bumper cover, uplever spoiler.
after that the Trans Am has T-tops leather seats and Keyless entry std. over a base Formula. The drivetrains and suspensions are identical to any other F-body.
The WS6 option adds Ram Air hood, raised airbox, powersteering cooler, 32mm front swaybar, 1LE Springs (`96-early 2000 only), different valved Decarbon shocks, 17x9" wheels 275/40/17 tires, and a low restriction exhaust.
Auto equipped WS6's required the GU5 3.23 gear set. but at an extra cost.
BTW the WS6 option was available on Formula's and Trans Am's from `96-00 and Trans Am's exclusively in `01-02.
There is no noticeable power difference between a Std. Car and a WS6 Car.
Quarter mile and Skidpad numbers show desrepencies towards both cars.
LIke said before in the end stock to stock it's a Drivers race.
As for the base model trans am. 3.23 was a cost option. If you didnt ask for it, it came with 2.73 gears.
ws6=hood and a price tag
03-11-2009 | 02:00 PM
#34
Well lets see Here is a situation
Your go to a Used car dealership or w.e, You find a 02 Trans am, Then a 02 Ws6 Trans am, Options, Miles, Color, and in the exact same shape, and THE SAME PRICE, what one would you pick up......
Honestly I wanted a Ws6 and would not get a regular one, Regardless what people say you can not argue that the Ws6 is better fit for Track/Racing than the regular T/a EVEN IF ITS THE LITTLEST BIT. I think thats why it is the HANDLING AND PERFORMANCE PACKAGE.....
Hell you can have people argue that a Z06 corvette is not better than a base one, WELL YOU CAN JUST SUPERCHARGE THE ZL1 VETTE AND HAVE MORE HORSEPOWER... You can do this, it has that, blah blah. FROM THE FACTORY THE WS6 IS BETTER FIT FOR RACING/TRACK, AND YES EVERY BODIES MOTORS HAVE DIFFERENT POWER FROM THE START DUH. BUT THE WS6 WOULD HAVE MORE IF THEY WERE THE EXACT SAME, UMM CAN WE GET FACTORY RATINGS.....
Hmm more air coming in, o well that means nothing, Better exhaust.. **** that does nothing either, Better suspension, better rims wider tires, hell how would this make it faster or better... Well if you ask me I think a better flowing exhaust, a little more airflow, and better suspension would help but hey what do i know Maybe More air in, Better flow out, and Better handling does nothing and well the work to my car was pointless.....
Your go to a Used car dealership or w.e, You find a 02 Trans am, Then a 02 Ws6 Trans am, Options, Miles, Color, and in the exact same shape, and THE SAME PRICE, what one would you pick up......
Honestly I wanted a Ws6 and would not get a regular one, Regardless what people say you can not argue that the Ws6 is better fit for Track/Racing than the regular T/a EVEN IF ITS THE LITTLEST BIT. I think thats why it is the HANDLING AND PERFORMANCE PACKAGE.....
Hell you can have people argue that a Z06 corvette is not better than a base one, WELL YOU CAN JUST SUPERCHARGE THE ZL1 VETTE AND HAVE MORE HORSEPOWER... You can do this, it has that, blah blah. FROM THE FACTORY THE WS6 IS BETTER FIT FOR RACING/TRACK, AND YES EVERY BODIES MOTORS HAVE DIFFERENT POWER FROM THE START DUH. BUT THE WS6 WOULD HAVE MORE IF THEY WERE THE EXACT SAME, UMM CAN WE GET FACTORY RATINGS.....
Hmm more air coming in, o well that means nothing, Better exhaust.. **** that does nothing either, Better suspension, better rims wider tires, hell how would this make it faster or better... Well if you ask me I think a better flowing exhaust, a little more airflow, and better suspension would help but hey what do i know Maybe More air in, Better flow out, and Better handling does nothing and well the work to my car was pointless.....
03-11-2009 | 02:06 PM
#35
O ya here are the Real Specs, and YES EVERY CAR IS DIFFERENT SOME WILL HAVE MORE SOME WILL HAVE LESS, BUT THIS IS THE SPECS FROM THE FACTORY.
Horsepower (hp / kw @ rpm):
310 / 231 @ 5200
w/ WS6 Ram Air: 325 / 242 @ 5200
Torque (lb-ft / Nm @ rpm):
340 / 461 @ 4000
w/ WS6 Ram Air: 350 / 475 @ 4000
NOW LETS HEAR THE EXCUSES
Horsepower (hp / kw @ rpm):
310 / 231 @ 5200
w/ WS6 Ram Air: 325 / 242 @ 5200
Torque (lb-ft / Nm @ rpm):
340 / 461 @ 4000
w/ WS6 Ram Air: 350 / 475 @ 4000
NOW LETS HEAR THE EXCUSES
03-11-2009 | 02:18 PM
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Well lets see Here is a situation
Your go to a Used car dealership or w.e, You find a 02 Trans am, Then a 02 Ws6 Trans am, Options, Miles, Color, and in the exact same shape, and THE SAME PRICE, what one would you pick up......
Honestly I wanted a Ws6 and would not get a regular one, Regardless what people say you can not argue that the Ws6 is better fit for Track/Racing than the regular T/a EVEN IF ITS THE LITTLEST BIT. I think thats why it is the HANDLING AND PERFORMANCE PACKAGE.....
Hell you can have people argue that a Z06 corvette is not better than a base one, WELL YOU CAN JUST SUPERCHARGE THE ZL1 VETTE AND HAVE MORE HORSEPOWER... You can do this, it has that, blah blah. FROM THE FACTORY THE WS6 IS BETTER FIT FOR RACING/TRACK, AND YES EVERY BODIES MOTORS HAVE DIFFERENT POWER FROM THE START DUH. BUT THE WS6 WOULD HAVE MORE IF THEY WERE THE EXACT SAME, UMM CAN WE GET FACTORY RATINGS.....
Hmm more air coming in, o well that means nothing, Better exhaust.. **** that does nothing either, Better suspension, better rims wider tires, hell how would this make it faster or better... Well if you ask me I think a better flowing exhaust, a little more airflow, and better suspension would help but hey what do i know Maybe More air in, Better flow out, and Better handling does nothing and well the work to my car was pointless.....
Your go to a Used car dealership or w.e, You find a 02 Trans am, Then a 02 Ws6 Trans am, Options, Miles, Color, and in the exact same shape, and THE SAME PRICE, what one would you pick up......
Honestly I wanted a Ws6 and would not get a regular one, Regardless what people say you can not argue that the Ws6 is better fit for Track/Racing than the regular T/a EVEN IF ITS THE LITTLEST BIT. I think thats why it is the HANDLING AND PERFORMANCE PACKAGE.....
Hell you can have people argue that a Z06 corvette is not better than a base one, WELL YOU CAN JUST SUPERCHARGE THE ZL1 VETTE AND HAVE MORE HORSEPOWER... You can do this, it has that, blah blah. FROM THE FACTORY THE WS6 IS BETTER FIT FOR RACING/TRACK, AND YES EVERY BODIES MOTORS HAVE DIFFERENT POWER FROM THE START DUH. BUT THE WS6 WOULD HAVE MORE IF THEY WERE THE EXACT SAME, UMM CAN WE GET FACTORY RATINGS.....
Hmm more air coming in, o well that means nothing, Better exhaust.. **** that does nothing either, Better suspension, better rims wider tires, hell how would this make it faster or better... Well if you ask me I think a better flowing exhaust, a little more airflow, and better suspension would help but hey what do i know Maybe More air in, Better flow out, and Better handling does nothing and well the work to my car was pointless.....
Trust me When I ordered mine (Jan `98) I thought about the WS6 option but I felt it wasn't worth $3,150 for something that adds no extra performance and isn't really exclusive either considering WS6 cars pratically grow on trees around me.
I've had my LS1 before most of the people on this site were in puberty and even in 1998 when the LS1 F-body was a new thing I knew the Performance difference wasn't there on the WS6 Cars.
03-11-2009 | 02:21 PM
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O ya here are the Real Specs, and YES EVERY CAR IS DIFFERENT SOME WILL HAVE MORE SOME WILL HAVE LESS, BUT THIS IS THE SPECS FROM THE FACTORY.
Horsepower (hp / kw @ rpm):
310 / 231 @ 5200
w/ WS6 Ram Air: 325 / 242 @ 5200
Torque (lb-ft / Nm @ rpm):
340 / 461 @ 4000
w/ WS6 Ram Air: 350 / 475 @ 4000
NOW LETS HEAR THE EXCUSES
Horsepower (hp / kw @ rpm):
310 / 231 @ 5200
w/ WS6 Ram Air: 325 / 242 @ 5200
Torque (lb-ft / Nm @ rpm):
340 / 461 @ 4000
w/ WS6 Ram Air: 350 / 475 @ 4000
NOW LETS HEAR THE EXCUSES
If the standard cars only make 310 HP (305 `98-`00) at the flywheel why did my bone stock `98 M6 make 300 at the rear wheels ?
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03-11-2009 | 02:24 PM
#38
O ya here are the Real Specs, and YES EVERY CAR IS DIFFERENT SOME WILL HAVE MORE SOME WILL HAVE LESS, BUT THIS IS THE SPECS FROM THE FACTORY.
Horsepower (hp / kw @ rpm):
310 / 231 @ 5200
w/ WS6 Ram Air: 325 / 242 @ 5200
Torque (lb-ft / Nm @ rpm):
340 / 461 @ 4000
w/ WS6 Ram Air: 350 / 475 @ 4000
NOW LETS HEAR THE EXCUSES
Horsepower (hp / kw @ rpm):
310 / 231 @ 5200
w/ WS6 Ram Air: 325 / 242 @ 5200
Torque (lb-ft / Nm @ rpm):
340 / 461 @ 4000
w/ WS6 Ram Air: 350 / 475 @ 4000
NOW LETS HEAR THE EXCUSES
With all of the noobs bumbling about someone needs to sticky that article from the May '98 issue of Hot Rod, where all of the LS1's dynoed close to one another...
03-11-2009 | 02:25 PM
#39
Difference between the Z28 and SS <I'm sure this applies to the t/a and the ws6. Try to argue against Fbodfather.