Stock 6.0 Goat M6 vs. Bolton 99 Trans am A4
03-12-2009, 05:49 PM
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Possibly, but what do stock 6.0 goats put down to the rear wheels? If I had to guess, bone stock my car probably laid down 250 at the rear wheels. You are right on about the weight and lack of a big tire. That coupled with the IRS, really hamper the goat. But the funny thing is, the LS2 vettes aren't as strong as you would expect either. Not sure what it is, but they struggle against the LS1 cars out here. THe LS3 vettes??? that's a different story.
03-12-2009, 05:56 PM
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I don't understand the point of this argument here. Both cars are lsx powered why are we bashing them. bracketracer your comparing a 4000 lbs. luxury model sports car to your 3500 lbs. 98 z28, which could even be a stripper model. GM underrated the ls1 at 305HP it's more like 350HP. An ls2 is rated fairly well at 400HP. That extra ~500 pounds plus IRS makes a big difference at the track. Using ricer math 100 lbs. = 10 HP. Do the math and you have one hell of a race with the advantage the the f body because of its SRA.
MY other friend has a lid only 00' z28. Were going to run the gto again and hopefully post up a video.
MY other friend has a lid only 00' z28. Were going to run the gto again and hopefully post up a video.
03-12-2009, 06:01 PM
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Possibly, but what do stock 6.0 goats put down to the rear wheels? If I had to guess, bone stock my car probably laid down 250 at the rear wheels. You are right on about the weight and lack of a big tire. That coupled with the IRS, really hamper the goat. But the funny thing is, the LS2 vettes aren't as strong as you would expect either. Not sure what it is, but they struggle against the LS1 cars out here. THe LS3 vettes??? that's a different story.
03-12-2009, 06:07 PM
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I don't understand the point of this argument here. Both cars are lsx powered why are we bashing them. bracketracer your comparing a 4000 lbs. luxury model sports car to your 3500 lbs. 98 z28, which could even be a stripper model. GM underrated the ls1 at 305HP it's more like 350HP. An ls2 is rated fairly well at 400HP. That extra ~500 pounds plus IRS makes a big difference at the track. Using ricer math 100 lbs. = 10 HP. Do the math and you have one hell of a race with the advantage the the f body because of its SRA.
MY other friend has a lid only 00' z28. Were going to run the gto again and hopefully post up a video.
MY other friend has a lid only 00' z28. Were going to run the gto again and hopefully post up a video.
03-13-2009, 01:49 PM
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My car with the 18s on it, everything else stock, put down 262, with 303 torque. I think it was uncorrected for the humidity and elevation and everything. What kind of dyno where you on Bracket? I was on a AWD mustang dyno when I had mine done in Tucson.
03-13-2009, 02:03 PM
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not sure. one time was at pro dyno
03-13-2009, 08:38 PM
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the gto propaganda is amazing, unfortunatley the ratio of gtos to f-bodies on the streets only perpetuates the amazing misinformation. 
i'd be willing to run as well, i even have a little extra weight with the sound system. so it would put me toward the mythical 4000lb+ weight.
i'd be willing to run as well, i even have a little extra weight with the sound system. so it would put me toward the mythical 4000lb+ weight.
03-14-2009, 08:09 PM
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that's awesome! but again, what was the DA, not the altitude of the track? You are right, you should easily be in the 12's, but my point is they are not. And for the horsepower they have, they should be stronger. Trap speed and et don't always jive. There is much more than simple math involved. My trap speed is also 108 but you have to look at gearing, converter, tire size etc. I beat lots of cars that come across at 108 plus. When you have traction problems, your done, especially on the street.
but let me show this slip then, from a fellow LS2 Goat owner, recent run in ARIZONA, mods are: Full exhaust w/ 3/4"' LTs, P&P 92mm TB/Intake, 4,200 stall, DRs, and the DA is included in the slip.
I don't see why you guys get so defensive when an LS2 goat can run about the same with more weight, the LS2 is a lot more stronger than the LS1 Motor, and LS3 > LS2, LS7 > LS3, if something GM did really good was to differientate this damn motors so there is no doubt about the power capabilities in any of them
03-18-2009, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueGoat06
but let me show this slip then, from a fellow LS2 Goat owner, recent run in ARIZONA, mods are: Full exhaust w/ 3/4"' LTs, P&P 92mm TB/Intake, 4,200 stall, DRs, and the DA is included in the slip.
