before your friend does anything he needs to put a converter in it and change the gear to some 4.10s. O and jack that line pressure to the moon.

 

The problem with the LT1's is there are only a few proven combos unlike the LS1's which you can build easily and make good power by reading a couple of LS1Tech posts. I state this with proof.......IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING AN LT1 CAN BE A VERY POTENT ENGINE!!!! I have plenty of LS1 guys trying to figure out how my street driven LT1 is out launching them and out horsepowering them on the high end. All I'm saying is don't put down the LT1's!!!!!!! If anybody would like to find out and your in the new england area I'd love to show you how my LT1 doesn't "pull" on the top end like a LS1. Hows 99 in the 1/8 and 129 in the 1/4 sound? Sounds like a lot of high end hp with not enough converter right? Care to find out?

 

What song did you rap?

 

Right about the converter, but 4.10s on an A4 dd suck.

You must be joking about the line pressure.

 

either that car wasnt tuned right or just a bad driver. you shouldnt have pulled him like that. is his car an A4 or M6? im sure those 4.10's played a major role for you pulling him up top if he was an auto

 

I dont see how this couldnt have happened. The guy says he has 412 rwhp in his sig, I'd say the Trans Am has at least 25rwhp less than that with the 503 cam. Unless he has some killer heads.

 

I call BS. An LS1 never loses... especially not on this website

 

Had both.still have both..Stock for stock no contest..ls1 generally have the lt1 by 50 or more hp. First time raced buddies stock lt1 auto with my six speed stock 99TA we did a few rollons from about 40 to about 100mph. first time actually he kept up or gained a bit. Then realized had made the run in fifth! LOL PUt it in third the second time and ate him so bad he figured I had spray. Made me lift the hood.

That said lt1 sound better to me. Engines look better than the fugly ls1 too.
I don't like the factory optispark and some of my lt1s got intake manifold leak ,one two times..annoying. No opti and no intake manifold leaks on the ls1. Course no piston slap cold like many ls1s and some ls1 have piston slap warm as well. Ls1 is super noisy not very nice sounding mechanically. Lt1 sounds nice and quiet compared to my ls1 mechanically.

Ls1 do have lots of mods available, lt1 still seem to have quite a few as well. Generally still you are going to find lt1 mod for mod will give a bit less power but nothing that can't be compensated for if you just realize you might need a bit more boost or spray or wilder cam.etc to equal the ls1 you are comparing too.

I like the low end grunt of the lt1 still seems to be better than the ls1. You can gear the ls1 a bit higher or use higher stall in auto to compensate for this though.

I can see the lt1 beating the stock ls1 in this race. Local guy has 94z with 1.6 rockers, cold air, hooker aerochamber muffler, mac mids, underdrive and thats about it..auto 3.23 car and it ran like 13.4 at local track with et street radials. Most stock ls1 cars weren't much quicker at the track fact some were running a few tenths slower for sure. Track is at 1600 above sea level.

He has added stall now and from testing with incar timer shows a high 12 is doable.
Course stall also makes huge diff on ls1 car usually about 3200 to 3500 is nice range.
I have 2800 vig in my 96z and he has same stall. Vig are underrated a bit. But again works nice with lt1 torque down low. My 96z is heavy and only ran 14.2 best with some ignition issues. I had underdrive,cold air,magnaflo, 52tb,no headers, cam or 1.6 rockers .
3.42 gears though. I did manage 13.8 on incar timer few times when ignition was working better. Have new msd opti to install and bunch of mods to throw on the 96, mac headers, 1.6 rockers, 305 cam,and planning some afr or trik flo heads,have zex wet kit for it as well. should see around 550 engine hp with all that with 125 shot.

 

bwhahaha

 

i come down to regina quite often--- would love to see your car sometime

 

Regardless of this race (which I'm sure the lt1's driving played a part in winning, so props where its due), I'm just going to point out that as a general rule, the title of this thread is COMPLETELY wrong. I felt it should be noted for reference purposes.

Carry on.

 

Nice kill. I own both as well and love them, though I am partial to my LS1 im not even gonna lie. I like the fact the ls1 aftermarket is plentiful and its just so easy to make them go fast. I love the LT1's sound and it's 'ol school musclecar feel. However, don't like the experience with opti-sparks, issues with the factory reverse cooling system, intake leaks, and limited aft market. All in all both are respectable powerplants and can be made to be very quick!

 

I'm glad someone else got that. Having said that, I don't get using the terms "kill" and "rape" to describe races. It seems to me it comes off as extreme aggressive, and thuggish. Every time I read about someone "raping" someone else, I actually picture said person forcing his clumsy sexual advances on a car.

 

Personally, I think it's a sick world when we can use words that describe ugly crimes against people in a casual conversation. My gf happened to look over my shoulder one day while I was on here, she saw the words "rape" and "kill" and whatever else and she didn't talk to me for a week. It was fun trying to explain the rape and kill thing to her and what business I had on a site casually throwing around those words. Yeah........

They may be just words, but they're definitely in bad taste and totally thuggish...

 

Amen...even tho we're F-Body bros we still get bashed

 

I personally like being the underdog. The LS1, being a gen 3 as to our gen 2; and built better by the shortcomings of our engine, is meant to be more powerful and responsive to mods and to flow better.

As long as its an LTx or LSx f-body, it has respect in my heart! All are lethal machines (obviously I love Corvettes too)

 

lol at all the lt1 hate. ls1 guys like yall are the ones i love beating in my t/a. they absolutly hate it. most ls1 guys i beat think i did an ls1 swap or have a built motor or im spraying or some other crap like that.

 

lol. Are you kidding me? It takes more than full bolt-ons in an LT1 to beat a stock LS1? That's BS, if I've ever heard it, and I own an LS1. My LT1 Camaro had basically the same mods the OP has, minus gears and RR's, when I raced my cousins 98 auto SS with lid, catback, and 3.73's. I pulled on him throughout, and on the topend is when I really started pulling away. I would edge on him 1-4, from a 20 roll, then, once I'd hit 5th, just start scooting away. By 150, I had 2-3 cars on him. It doesn't take a whole lot to make an LT1 faster than an LS1. With a lid conversion, UDP, LT's, true duals, short throw, DR's, and a tune, my LT1 was almost a half a second faster, in the 1/4, than my LS1 with a lid, short throw, and DR's.

 

pow!!!!!!!

 

Ah thank you Tspence. Lovin all the LT1 hate in here lol. It's alright tho, I love smashing preconceived notions...stock auto LS1 vs. full exhaust, tuned, geared LT1 is not gonna be close unless the LT1 driver is a complete moron.