01 C5 vs 06 GTO 6.0... how did I lose? (TURNS OUT HES NOT STOCK!!!)
01-04-2010, 06:38 PM
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Low 1.5X 60'
7.40@91.7mph
This was done in +2400 DA. without a tune.. I am also 100% full weight.
Way the car sits right now with the same DA he has it would run bottom 11s with ease. I am still approving my times by a lot. I think a full bolt on/stalled A4 fbody would be a very good match. The GFs car with full exhaust/3200 converter/handheld tune/373s went 7.7@87mph with a 1.5X sixty foot. That would be a killer race!
I'm not trying to down talk his car by ANY means! That is sure as hell a stout *** time for a car that weighs what his does! He definitely has set the combo up correctly!
7.40@91.7mph
This was done in +2400 DA. without a tune.. I am also 100% full weight.
Way the car sits right now with the same DA he has it would run bottom 11s with ease. I am still approving my times by a lot. I think a full bolt on/stalled A4 fbody would be a very good match. The GFs car with full exhaust/3200 converter/handheld tune/373s went 7.7@87mph with a 1.5X sixty foot. That would be a killer race!
I'm not trying to down talk his car by ANY means! That is sure as hell a stout *** time for a car that weighs what his does! He definitely has set the combo up correctly!
01-04-2010, 06:47 PM
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They are not that heavy honeslty...
3700 for M6 without driver...
Fbody weighs like 3400-3500
New Camaro weighs 3900 for the M6... a little more for Auto (without driver)
I am very confident my 06 GTO will pull the Fbody and C5 up top. The C5 Z06 tends to pull on the LS2 slightly on the top end. Low 13's to 13.0 are pretty common with a good driver in the LS2 GTO. There are maybe 3 or less recorded cases of 12.9's stock... but track conditions were perfect and the driver was very experienced.
When you say the GTO is a cow just think about how much weight your talking about. A small 200-300 lbs weight difference is the least of your worries when going up against a modded GTO (or a random one on the street that might be modded).
The LS2 is choked from the factory with the LS2 intake manifold. It responds very well to just a CAI, Headers, Exhaust, ported stock TB and Intake manifold. Usually getting close to 400 at the ground ( 370-390) with those mods. There are some problems with the wheel hop and it can take some getting used to. You can really cut it down though with just some rear springs, drag bags and decent sticky tires. Rear Shocks, Harrop Diff Cover and a few bushings on top of the springs, drag bags and tires will almost completely eliminate it. You can easily get some 275's on the rear end with just cutting or rolling the fenders.
A built port and polished set of L92's, cam and tune on the LS2 will get you into the high 400's to the ground. I just really think the LS2 GTO (or even LS1) is underestimated and not felt as a threat.
C6 LS2 W/L92s...
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...p-446rwtq.html
SLP's Port and polished L92 setup for the ls2 GTO...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEtjV5DLtes
Crazy insanely long L92/L76 thread on GTO's...
http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286447
This is pretty close to the setup I am working on...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aORkvjwg0ok
3700 for M6 without driver...
Fbody weighs like 3400-3500
New Camaro weighs 3900 for the M6... a little more for Auto (without driver)
I am very confident my 06 GTO will pull the Fbody and C5 up top. The C5 Z06 tends to pull on the LS2 slightly on the top end. Low 13's to 13.0 are pretty common with a good driver in the LS2 GTO. There are maybe 3 or less recorded cases of 12.9's stock... but track conditions were perfect and the driver was very experienced.
When you say the GTO is a cow just think about how much weight your talking about. A small 200-300 lbs weight difference is the least of your worries when going up against a modded GTO (or a random one on the street that might be modded).
The LS2 is choked from the factory with the LS2 intake manifold. It responds very well to just a CAI, Headers, Exhaust, ported stock TB and Intake manifold. Usually getting close to 400 at the ground ( 370-390) with those mods. There are some problems with the wheel hop and it can take some getting used to. You can really cut it down though with just some rear springs, drag bags and decent sticky tires. Rear Shocks, Harrop Diff Cover and a few bushings on top of the springs, drag bags and tires will almost completely eliminate it. You can easily get some 275's on the rear end with just cutting or rolling the fenders.
A built port and polished set of L92's, cam and tune on the LS2 will get you into the high 400's to the ground. I just really think the LS2 GTO (or even LS1) is underestimated and not felt as a threat.
C6 LS2 W/L92s...
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...p-446rwtq.html
SLP's Port and polished L92 setup for the ls2 GTO...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEtjV5DLtes
Crazy insanely long L92/L76 thread on GTO's...
http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286447
This is pretty close to the setup I am working on...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aORkvjwg0ok
WOW..WHERE TO BEGIN....
SOME OF THE GTO GUYS CRACK ME UP...YES YOUR CAR HAS A 340 RWHP lLS2 ENGINE..YES YOUR CAR WEIGHS 450 POUNDS MORETHAN A 300 RWHP C5 OR 250 POUNDS MORE THAN A 310 RWHP CAMARO...
Despite the LS2...Your added weight has your car in the performance catergory of a Fbody or maybey C5 vette ( wich has a hell of a lot more than 3 people in the 12's stock).....
Im not trying to pick on you..But somthing you sid just really got to me..You stated that..
"a c5Z06 will just barely pull on a LS2"
Good God man....Yes.....A 345 rwhp 3150 pound LS6 C5Z06 will just barely pull on a 345 rwhp 3250 pound LS2 C6...
But a 345 rwhp 3150 pound C5Z06 will RAPE a 345 rwhp 3700 pound GTO the same way it would a Fbody or C5...
Fbody=maybey 110 mph trapps in the best conditions with best drivers
C5 and GTO=maybey 112 mph trapps in the best conditions with best drivers
C5Z06=114 mph trapps with average driver-116 mph trapps with good driver-118 mph trapps with great driver in great conditions
A Fbody/GTO/C5 cannot be even breathed in the same sentance as a C5Z06..Yes your car has an LS2...But the weight makez it perform like a LS1..Just that simple
01-05-2010, 01:14 AM
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Heres some to stir the ****: My car weighs 3,590 with 5 gal of fuel and no other weight reduction other than full exhaust and a smaller converter. Certified scale. With me in its 3,770. Yep. Thats right. Full metal, all accessory, full interior, A4 Goat under 3,600 pounds.
A C5Z will pull a minimum 2 cars over a full bolt-on and tuned 6M GTO.
01-05-2010, 01:28 AM
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C&D weighed their '05 GTO 6M at 3774lbs. Figure some good amount of gas in the tank.
And here is an interesting post from someone who raced a 408ci 6speed GTO and saw it on the scale and weight reduction,
"Yea he s
has taken stuff out of the car, ac, seats and other things. I saw it on the same scale mine was on so I am sure what it weighs. He weighs 175 lbs his car weighed 3520 so there you are. Curb weight on a gto is 3725, he said his front seat weighs over 70 lbs so that is quite a chunk"
And here is an interesting post from someone who raced a 408ci 6speed GTO and saw it on the scale and weight reduction,
"Yea he s
has taken stuff out of the car, ac, seats and other things. I saw it on the same scale mine was on so I am sure what it weighs. He weighs 175 lbs his car weighed 3520 so there you are. Curb weight on a gto is 3725, he said his front seat weighs over 70 lbs so that is quite a chunk"
01-05-2010, 02:03 PM
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Check your PM, you do have 3.15 on your car now. I've got a C5 and went from 3.15 to 3.42, I would recommend 3.73 if your going to keep it N/A . I added a Supercharger that was the reason I only went with a 3.42.
01-05-2010, 03:41 PM
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Ok so turns out the goat wasnt completely stock....
Had a K&N FIPK kit on it
LOL like that matters im sure
And OK I have 3.15's....
Time for a tune up, I doubt its had one...
Had a K&N FIPK kit on it
LOL like that matters im sure
And OK I have 3.15's....
Time for a tune up, I doubt its had one...
01-05-2010, 08:15 PM
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If you try hard enough you can get the goat down on weight. I got mine down to 3420lbs. with no skid plates,full aftermarket exhaust. no pass seat,back seat. empty trunk.racelite slicks/skinnies.
but then you throw my 230lb. *** back in there and your up to around 3680.
I pull consistant 1.7-1.8 60ft's. on stock irs w/just dragbags.
I have never raced a c5 z06,but I have raced a bone stock c6 w/ls3. on the highway from a 60-160 roll and by the time we let up at 160 he had about 6" on me. He was starting to inch away very slowly, and Im putting down 423/403. Granted I had my stock wheels and full interior, but it was all I had to just hang with him. I do believe in stock form a c5z06 will pull a stock or pretty stock LS2 goat,if it doesn't win the dig, it will start pulling before the 1/8th. and from a roll I believe it would pull it pretty steady.
but then you throw my 230lb. *** back in there and your up to around 3680.
I pull consistant 1.7-1.8 60ft's. on stock irs w/just dragbags.
I have never raced a c5 z06,but I have raced a bone stock c6 w/ls3. on the highway from a 60-160 roll and by the time we let up at 160 he had about 6" on me. He was starting to inch away very slowly, and Im putting down 423/403. Granted I had my stock wheels and full interior, but it was all I had to just hang with him. I do believe in stock form a c5z06 will pull a stock or pretty stock LS2 goat,if it doesn't win the dig, it will start pulling before the 1/8th. and from a roll I believe it would pull it pretty steady.
01-06-2010, 01:22 AM
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I dont see how,my exhaust ziptie 01 z06 trapped a 116, your gto with full bolt ons and a cam only trapped 114, so i dont get how you think it would even be close with a stock goat
01-06-2010, 01:47 AM
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Re read my post. I said a stock gto shouldn't hang with a stock c5zo6.
Plus your 01 zo6 with ziptied exhaust wouldn't trap 116 here in kansas city. Sorry but with your mods the 114mph goat would walk you.
Plus your 01 zo6 with ziptied exhaust wouldn't trap 116 here in kansas city. Sorry but with your mods the 114mph goat would walk you.
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01-06-2010, 11:51 AM
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bullshit....a zip tie modded 2001 zo6 with exhaust will dyno 350 rwhp sae and run a 113-116 at any track remotely close to sea level.....a 114 mph goat isnt anything special,,,stock c5z06's have been known to trapp 115-117 mph and a few have touched 118-119 mph dead stock.....Some people just dont get it...A stock C5Z06 is a 115 mph car all day...A solid EIGHT MPH MORE THAN A 107 mph goat all day...8 mph is huge and not easily made up
01-06-2010, 01:02 PM
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bullshit....a zip tie modded 2001 zo6 with exhaust will dyno 350 rwhp sae and run a 113-116 at any track remotely close to sea level.....a 114 mph goat isnt anything special,,,stock c5z06's have been known to trapp 115-117 mph and a few have touched 118-119 mph dead stock.....Some people just dont get it...A stock C5Z06 is a 115 mph car all day...A solid EIGHT MPH MORE THAN A 107 mph goat all day...8 mph is huge and not easily made up
"Plus your 01 zo6 with ziptied exhaust wouldn't trap 116 here in kansas city"
In KS, we're not even relatively close to sea level. The track I race at is well above 2500 DA every race night.
My cam + full boltons + stall + gear + tune car trapped 113 here (full weight). DA has a huge huge huge effect on cars.
A C5 Z06 would maybe run high 12s here.
01-06-2010, 02:44 PM
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So your car lost a minimum of 135lbs by changing out the exhaust and a smaller converter? Not to mention A4s are a little heavier....
C5 FRC might hit 112mph. A stock GTO 109mph. The only 110mph stock GTOs I've been able to find had either a shift kit or mysteriously less weight than stock by over 100lbs.
A C5Z will pull a minimum 2 cars over a full bolt-on and tuned 6M GTO.
C5 FRC might hit 112mph. A stock GTO 109mph. The only 110mph stock GTOs I've been able to find had either a shift kit or mysteriously less weight than stock by over 100lbs.
A C5Z will pull a minimum 2 cars over a full bolt-on and tuned 6M GTO.
I know a GTO owner (06 LS2 A4) that will tell you that he doesn't pull on me at any speed... despite having the magical LS2. It just doesn't happen.
Lemons? a GTO traps 3~4mph higher than an f-body? thanks man..I haven't laughed that hard in a LONG time.
01-06-2010, 07:01 PM
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Stop failing, and learn how to read his post.
"Plus your 01 zo6 with ziptied exhaust wouldn't trap 116 here in kansas city"
In KS, we're not even relatively close to sea level. The track I race at is well above 2500 DA every race night.
My cam + full boltons + stall + gear + tune car trapped 113 here (full weight). DA has a huge huge huge effect on cars.
A C5 Z06 would maybe run high 12s here.
"Plus your 01 zo6 with ziptied exhaust wouldn't trap 116 here in kansas city"
In KS, we're not even relatively close to sea level. The track I race at is well above 2500 DA every race night.
My cam + full boltons + stall + gear + tune car trapped 113 here (full weight). DA has a huge huge huge effect on cars.
A C5 Z06 would maybe run high 12s here.
My current one is full weight. Actually with the rims it weighs more than stock. 
01-06-2010, 07:15 PM
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bullshit....a zip tie modded 2001 zo6 with exhaust will dyno 350 rwhp sae and run a 113-116 at any track remotely close to sea level.....a 114 mph goat isnt anything special,,,stock c5z06's have been known to trapp 115-117 mph and a few have touched 118-119 mph dead stock.....Some people just dont get it...A stock C5Z06 is a 115 mph car all day...A solid EIGHT MPH MORE THAN A 107 mph goat all day...8 mph is huge and not easily made up
01-07-2010, 12:43 AM
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On's and a tune who trapped 118 here at kcir. I may be wrong but didn't the z06 get a h.p. Boost in 02.
Up to 405? It still would be pretty rare here to see a stockish 01 z06 trap 116 here in kc.
01-07-2010, 01:33 AM
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Despite the LS2...Your added weight has your car in the performance catergory of a Fbody or maybey C5 vette ( wich has a hell of a lot more than 3 people in the 12's stock).....
Im not trying to pick on you..But somthing you sid just really got to me..You stated that..
"a c5Z06 will just barely pull on a LS2"
Good God man....Yes.....A 345 rwhp 3150 pound LS6 C5Z06 will just barely pull on a 345 rwhp 3250 pound LS2 C6...
But a 345 rwhp 3150 pound C5Z06 will RAPE a 345 rwhp 3700 pound GTO the same way it would a Fbody or C5...
Fbody=maybey 110 mph trapps in the best conditions with best drivers
C5 and GTO=maybey 112 mph trapps in the best conditions with best drivers
C5Z06=114 mph trapps with average driver-116 mph trapps with good driver-118 mph trapps with great driver in great conditions
A Fbody/GTO/C5 cannot be even breathed in the same sentance as a C5Z06..Yes your car has an LS2...But the weight makez it perform like a LS1..Just that simple
Im not trying to pick on you..But somthing you sid just really got to me..You stated that..
"a c5Z06 will just barely pull on a LS2"
Good God man....Yes.....A 345 rwhp 3150 pound LS6 C5Z06 will just barely pull on a 345 rwhp 3250 pound LS2 C6...
But a 345 rwhp 3150 pound C5Z06 will RAPE a 345 rwhp 3700 pound GTO the same way it would a Fbody or C5...
Fbody=maybey 110 mph trapps in the best conditions with best drivers
C5 and GTO=maybey 112 mph trapps in the best conditions with best drivers
C5Z06=114 mph trapps with average driver-116 mph trapps with good driver-118 mph trapps with great driver in great conditions
A Fbody/GTO/C5 cannot be even breathed in the same sentance as a C5Z06..Yes your car has an LS2...But the weight makez it perform like a LS1..Just that simple