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Old 01-07-2010, 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 06blackGTO
What track? Near the midwest? I had a buddy who had a 03' z06 with full exhaust and bolt
On's and a tune who trapped 118 here at kcir. I may be wrong but didn't the z06 get a h.p. Boost in 02.
Up to 405? It still would be pretty rare here to see a stockish 01 z06 trap 116 here in kc.
I got my best time this fall in Maryland. The cool, fall air is great for trap speeds out here. My '03 has the 405hp. They were at 385 before the bump up.

118 is very low for your buddy's Z. I also have a 93 vette with h/c/i that puts down 389rwhp and traps 118-119. Thats some pretty heavy air your racing in.
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Yeah the air here in the midwest can get heavy.and high humidity. Sometimes I wish I was on the eastcoast
To finally get into the 11's. It sucks to run 12.0's. But from what I seen around here its not too bad for a cammed
Bolt on goat. I have a built 93' ta. Stalled.gears.h/c/i.full weight. 320 to the wheels that only traps 106.
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Don't feel bad man my buddies 04 GTO with ported 853 heads, trex cam, fast intake, headers, tune, m6 runs 12.2-12.4 @ 111mph at our track. On a 150 shot he ran 10.8 @ like 128 mph though. Our track sucks @ 2300' and usually hot / humid pacific northwest air during the summer. Track closes in September so we rarely see DA below 3000'.
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Originally Posted by 06blackGTO
yeah Flash, some of these guys don't get the da aspect of it. That z06 would be mid-hi 12's on slicks here, Im guessing high 12's. Hell it's not hard to get a stock goat to run high 12's at atco or some sea level track. but here they avg. mid 13's at around 103mph. stockish.
and your still not getting it

I dont care where you run at..the numbers are the numbers and what i love about numbers is that they dont lie...

The fastest of the fast GTO's have touched 12.9...the fastest mph have been 110 mph...

the fastest of the fast C5Z06's have touched 11.9...The fastest mph have been 119 mph...


So if well driven GTO's are averageing 13.5 at 103 mph at your track....

then well driven c5z06's will average 12.5 at 112 mph at your track

Meaning that a 114 mph GTO is no big deal..

Some just dont give respect where it's due..A c5Z06 is a animal...People talk about C6Z06's and Vipers and ZR1's ect....But a 3150 pound 350 rwhp C5Z06 is still a bad ****** focker.....

GTO is a big cavalier with speed equivalent to a 1997 C5 at best
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Originally Posted by Killemall
Some just dont give respect where it's due..
Agreed...

But then you said..
GTO is a big cavalier
Not a big fan of the GTO.. but come on..
Old 01-07-2010, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by lemons12
My current one is full weight. Actually with the rims it weighs more than stock.
Ahh didnt know you had switched vehicles.
Old 01-07-2010, 09:07 AM
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I raced a manual LS2 GTO in my 3:15 04 vette. Dead even from a highway roll to 120.
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Originally Posted by Johnnystock
I dont believe any LS2 goat/C5 ever trapped close to 112 stock, thats very optimistic even in the best condition/driver. Like a fbody going 110...more like 108 at very best!!


Well... this is one of the best times I know of...
12.76 at 111.96


and it's pretty well documented unless you want to call the guys a bunch of lying ******** or something.
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...ure/index.html

A GTO on the other hand I don't think has ever broke 110mph in the 1/4 if memory serves?
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Originally Posted by Killemall
and your still not getting it

I dont care where you run at..the numbers are the numbers and what i love about numbers is that they dont lie...

The fastest of the fast GTO's have touched 12.9...the fastest mph have been 110 mph...

the fastest of the fast C5Z06's have touched 11.9...The fastest mph have been 119 mph...


So if well driven GTO's are averageing 13.5 at 103 mph at your track....

then well driven c5z06's will average 12.5 at 112 mph at your track

Meaning that a 114 mph GTO is no big deal..

Some just dont give respect where it's due..A c5Z06 is a animal...People talk about C6Z06's and Vipers and ZR1's ect....But a 3150 pound 350 rwhp C5Z06 is still a bad ****** focker.....

GTO is a big cavalier with speed equivalent to a 1997 C5 at best



Just so you know that I am getting it, your just not getting me. Here is my earlier quote from my 1st. post.

"I do believe in stock form a c5z06 will pull a stock or pretty stock LS2 goat,if it doesn't win the dig, it will start pulling before the 1/8th. and from a roll I believe it would pull it pretty steady".

One more:

"Re read my post. I said a stock gto shouldn't hang with a stock c5zo6.
Plus your 01 zo6 with ziptied exhaust wouldn't trap 116 here in kansas city. Sorry but with your mods the 114mph goat would walk you".


And last quote from one of my prev. post:

"That z06 would be mid-hi 12's on slicks HERE, Im guessing high 12's. Hell it's not hard to get a stock goat to run high 12's at ATCO or some sea level track. but HERE they avg. mid 13's at around 103mph. stockish".

Get what Im saying? Im comparing here to ATCO or A Sea Level TRACK.










No need to hate on the goat. And I agree that a c5Z06 w/a decent driver should pull on a goat. Never said it wouldn't. All I disagree about was camaroracer91 comparing his pretty much stockish 117mph trap speed to my built 114 trap speed. That's comparing apples to oranges. Different tracks, diff,sea level. That's the part I believe your getting me confused at. I know a stock c5z06 will out trap a stock LS2 gto,I repeat, I never said in my post it wouldn't. And I know 114mph. trap speed isn't ****, but it's not bad for the mods and air here in the midwest,I hung w/a LS3 stock vette on the highway from 60-160 so it doesn't do too bad. but put my car at atco and it would prob. be knocking on 120mph's door in good weather,and the best of conditions.But like I said, No stock c5z06 will trap 117-119 here in KC.No matter who is driving it. Hell I watched a new black zr1 here in kc over the fall run 3-4 times on street tires, and it only trapped 122mph,at a best of 12.0 sec. Im sure it was the driver, but who know's. Iv'e watched plenty of stock LS3 base vette 6 speeds, and they trap from 113-114 here. Just saying. But we all know they will trap higher at a lower sea level track.

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Originally Posted by S8ER95Z
Well... this is one of the best times I know of...
12.76 at 111.96


and it's pretty well documented unless you want to call the guys a bunch of lying ******** or something.
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...ure/index.html

A GTO on the other hand I don't think has ever broke 110mph in the 1/4 if memory serves?
A GTO has broken 110 mph stock and dipped under 12.9.

And LOL at HES NOT STOCK!!!! When its a CAI kit is all he has.
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Originally Posted by necrocannibal
Ahh didnt know you had switched vehicles.
Yea, actually sold the white one for a FRC/Zo6 but I found my current one. Had it for around 6 months or so now I guess. I like it WAY better than the white one, even though it isn't as fast.
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Originally Posted by Killemall
GTO is a big cavalier
Too funny, yet so true...you think that one up all by yourself?











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Hey FryZ71, just curious how do you like the L92 heads? I'm trying to decide weather to go that route, or a nitrous dave's wetkit. and just curious what kinda power you putting down on the dyno? I was thinking I should be around 450-460 on a dynojet with a set of the L92 heads.
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I like them...great bang for the buck. Car is in the 460 range...hoping to up it considerably in the spring w/ some nitrous.
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Originally Posted by FryZ71
I like them...great bang for the buck. Car is in the 460 range...hoping to up it considerably in the spring w/ some nitrous.
Thanks, I might just go that route, heads 1st. and then I could always go the bottle route in next winter.
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Originally Posted by necrocannibal
A GTO has broken 110 mph stock and dipped under 12.9.

And LOL at HES NOT STOCK!!!! When its a CAI kit is all he has.
I know about running 12.8 but 110? Link? Proof?

Edit: I hope you don't mean with Drag Radials because Tudds pulled that off with a 'stock' f-body as well... but that's not what is being discussed here.

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06Black, sounds like a plan...at least you have the right rolling stock for that power. I have to address the traction issue this spring.
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Originally Posted by FryZ71
06Black, sounds like a plan...at least you have the right rolling stock for that power. I have to address the traction issue this spring.

Im thankful I haven't broken anything yet in the drivetrain. I usually sidestep the clutch at around 4,000rpm's. the best 60ft. I pulled in the goat is 1.69

and in the stalled LT1 ta footbraking it was 1.8's. so she's hooking pretty good. The goat was alittle more consistant with the mt et street's bias ply's, but now Im running the hoosier dr's. They look almost exatly like the mt bias ply's I was running, but Im still trying to figure out what exact air pressure to run them out, I'll have to wait until spring to figure it all the way out.

The MT's liked 16lbs. in them, but it seems like the hoosiers like alittle more pressure in them. Here is a vid of a couple of us getting together this last fall, Im running the hoosiers. and the last vid is of me running against a 440rwhp 04 cobra. Im on the mt's there...

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/K...day_717983.htm


me vs. cobra. Before my ported t.b./intake,vararam cai,and sd tune.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7i3xuHMe3s
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Nice...I'm just going to have the rear stock 18s widened and run 275 DRs. This car has only seen the track once...it's just a fun street car.
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Originally Posted by FryZ71
Nice...I'm just going to have the rear stock 18s widened and run 275 DRs. This car has only seen the track once...it's just a fun street car.

Oh ok, I gotcha...


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