1999 a4 z28 vs 2003 m5 Mach 1
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ke^in i was sort of on your side about this until that last post.On the street its buses between a new edge 2v and a stock ls1. I agree that some people can drive and have ripped of some less slow passes than average.. but its still much slower than a ls car.
And mach's ARE close enough with a stock fbody that it is simply a drivers race with the ls having an edge the faster they go/start.. Everyone who races very often HAS to have seen stock/lightly modded ls cars and C headed 4v's run... I dont understand why this is such a debate... honestly you have to wonder if the people who question this have ever really ran their cars...
EDIT Post before last.. you beat me to the punch lol
And mach's ARE close enough with a stock fbody that it is simply a drivers race with the ls having an edge the faster they go/start.. Everyone who races very often HAS to have seen stock/lightly modded ls cars and C headed 4v's run... I dont understand why this is such a debate... honestly you have to wonder if the people who question this have ever really ran their cars...
EDIT Post before last.. you beat me to the punch lol
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LOL Some day you'll wake up and not be such a fanboy?
you're one of the biggest fanbois here. it is evident in the fact you cant comprehend that 2v's are 14 sec cars.
Because a large group of people haven't consistently gotten the fbodys to go 12s. That's not the case with the 2vs. Your comparison is trollish at best.
there hasnt been a large group of 2v's run 13's either. you keep calling others trolls yet look what forum you're on.
Seriously, you're in denial of the worst kind if you think this.
Yes, Mustang owners coined that phrase. It was never used before the Mach1.
it was a joke. simmer down little fella
Whoever is the better driver of said race will win. Hence the driver's race. I'll take this post with a grain of salt considering your last failure of a post.![The Jester](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_jest.gif)
you're one of the biggest fanbois here. it is evident in the fact you cant comprehend that 2v's are 14 sec cars.
Because a large group of people haven't consistently gotten the fbodys to go 12s. That's not the case with the 2vs. Your comparison is trollish at best.
there hasnt been a large group of 2v's run 13's either. you keep calling others trolls yet look what forum you're on.
Seriously, you're in denial of the worst kind if you think this.
Yes, Mustang owners coined that phrase. It was never used before the Mach1.
it was a joke. simmer down little fella
Whoever is the better driver of said race will win. Hence the driver's race. I'll take this post with a grain of salt considering your last failure of a post.
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13.9 is to a 2v the same as what 12.9 is to an ls1. to compare theoretical best times of one car to low averages of another is---- trollish.
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I have idea about his car other than it sounded mean!
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when my (LS2 A4) GTO was stock except for the lingenfelter CAI I raced both a early 2000's MACH 1 and a new Mustang: I would put them at the same speed in my books, which was 'faster than I thought they would be', though they both decisively lost.
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Iv'e never seen a stock 2v pull quicker then a 14.5 here in the midwest. I have a hard time believing a stock 2v mustang would run with a stock LS1 goat. Yeah the goat is heavier, but has atleast 70-80 rwhp on it. I could be wrong,but I just have a hard time seeing it. Hey stopsign, Im curious what does your car run? et and trap. I know it doesn't really matter, since your prob. close to sea level, and running the same times here in the midwest would be almost impossible,but im just curious how fast is this mighty mustang. Hell you should just put your times in your sig. I have nothing to hide. 12.0's at 114 at a 2850da. if I was on the east coast on a good da, I would prob be mid 11's prob. knocking at 120mph. trap's. Plus you can get the weight of the goat down, I get mine down to 3420lbs. on track day. No not a paperweight, but much better then stock.
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Let me just point out that my original post was NOT intended to start a Camaro vs Mustang internet war. I appologize for that happening as that is what it has seemed to turn into. Once agian, that was NOT my intentions. I just thought I would share a recent kill I had.
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a mach is not the ls1's equal. they are just close enough that mustangs guys coined the phrase "drivers race"
machs are cool cars and decently quick, but i've never seen them as a threat. if both cars are manuals and the guy driving the ls1 launches\shifts properly, odds are heavily in his favour of winning. if he spins badly or blows a shift then probably not.
machs are cool cars and decently quick, but i've never seen them as a threat. if both cars are manuals and the guy driving the ls1 launches\shifts properly, odds are heavily in his favour of winning. if he spins badly or blows a shift then probably not.
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How many threads are going to get into this stupid *** debate...
a mustang will run a 13.xx sometimes ok great... a f-body will run a 12.xx sometimes great.. beat the ******* rock some more and i bet you get blood out of it.... jesus yall are wasting bandwith with this stupid ****...
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lol..... The mach 1 can go into the 13's as long as they are able to hook. I've seen plenty of them do it at the track. On the road, they can be very close to a stock LS1. When I was stock, I'd run consistent mid to low 13 second passes. I've raced Mach 1's on the street from roll and it's usually very close. I'd maybe get a car on them, but it's gone both ways. It's easier to pull on them with an M6 than an A4. Obviously, some of you haven't been around them too much.
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And mach's ARE close enough with a stock fbody that it is simply a drivers race with the ls having an edge the faster they go/start.. Everyone who races very often HAS to have seen stock/lightly modded ls cars and C headed 4v's run... I dont understand why this is such a debate... honestly you have to wonder if the people who question this have ever really ran their cars...
EDIT Post before last.. you beat me to the punch lol
EDIT Post before last.. you beat me to the punch lol
Not sure why people question the Mach1 deal, or high 13s in a 2v. It's not rare. The fact is, only a few fanboys on here are making a big deal of it.
*shrug*
Saying a 2v stang running 13.9s is the same as a stock LS1 running 12.9s as far as how many people get there is about as obnoxious as you can get. Either some one is purposably trolling, or they have no idea what they are talking about.
High 12s is the best a stock LS1 has went. 13.9 isn't the best a stock GT has went. I've personally seen 13.7s, I've HEARD about a 13.6, but I am doubting it.
A 2v GT running 13.9s is like a LS1 running 13.3/4s
Having said that, I've seen stock LS1 cars running from 12.9s to 14.5s. They have a larger time differs than the GT does. Someone that really knows what they are doing can really make a LS1 fbody go way past it's normal rated time. Someone that can barely drive wont get into the 13s with one.
I hate watching "Past Times" because I've seen people with some of the nicest cars do horribly.
I saw a 96 Camaro with 500rwhp do 15 flat.
I saw a stock 08 Mustang GT do 14.8 in the quarter.
So when people say "I have seen people do 14.5s in GTs" I believe them. Anyone that has any experience driving these cars in extreme conditions however will not have problem getting them into the 13s. While I don't have a lot of experience at the track, and I don't consider myself an awesome driver when it comes to shifting hard, I've been "racing" other people in whatever 5spd I owned at the time for 20 years or more. If I can get a 2v GT into the 13s, it can't be that hard.
I am certainly not saying this to impress anyone. Again, if I was trying to impress people and lie, I certainly wouldn't be coming in here with a 2v GT talking about high 13s in a LSx based forum. Who would that impress? I guess if you guys had WRX owners or something in here.
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