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Old 02-21-2010, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by FlashLCD33
The dyno sheet says its in WA and you're in TX?

330whp stock out of an A4 just seems out of line. Maybe it's just a very happy dyno.

But, dyno numbers are irrelevant for the most part.

that would because i moved from Ft. Lewis, Wa to Ft. Hood, TX.... and that why i included the video for you.... it was a dyno jet...
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One dyno can read one thing and one can read completely different, I hate when people start throwing dyno numbers around like dynos read the same every time and every dyno is the same.

As for the race remember that manual GTOs come with a 3.42 rear and the M12 tranny from a Z06 so the gearing stock on them are better than the stock gearing on a f body. GTOs arent as sow as alot of people make them out to be.
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Originally Posted by necrocannibal
GTOs arent as sow as alot of people make them out to be.
What are you talking about? they are heavy! therefore they are slow....


*oh and just so you know they come with 3.46 gears not 3.42, and i believe its called the MN12 T56 but that im not 100% sure on.
Carry on.

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Originally Posted by 06 6.0 GTO
What are you talking about? they are heavy! therefore they are slow....


*oh and just so you know they come with 3.46 gears not 3.42, and i believe its called the MN12 T56 but that im not 100% sure on.
Carry on.
Yes you are right. I was pulling that from memory which is a little clouded from Mr. Daniels last night.


It is 3.46 and MN12 which has tighter gearing than the normal T56s that came in f bodies.
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Old 02-22-2010, 10:07 AM
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Finding out all the info on the 06 GTO I raced I don't feel bad at all for losing. In fact I think I did pretty dang good all things being considered honorable death on my end
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Old 02-22-2010, 10:44 AM
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you need a driver mod!!
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Old 02-22-2010, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Viscious
From a dig you would've had him, since your car is lighter.

From a roll he had you because of his power advantage.
Pretty much all that needed to be said in this thread lol


05 GTO A4 here and I made 333rwhp/327lbtq bone stock, no tune nada.

It's not all about peak numbers though...all that power over the whole curve really helps the GTO out especially from a roll and makes up for the weight disadvantage. On the street I'd give the nod to the F-body off the line simply because traction should be easier to achieve, but other then that GTO all the way.
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Old 02-22-2010, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 96RamAirTA
you need a driver mod!!
If you saw my other posts in this thread I clearly state I'm a little rusty. Its been over a month up to that point since I had even driven my car. Its been close to a year since I've even had my car WOT. Admittedly I was a lil slow on the shifts the shifts is when he pulled me a little each time. I definitely have new respect for the LS2 goats.
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Old 02-22-2010, 12:51 PM
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well then get a A4!!! just leave in drive is all i have to do!
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Originally Posted by 96RamAirTA
well then get a A4!!! just leave in drive is all i have to do!
And another plus is that it only has 4 speeds instead of 6 so less time is spent shifting and more time is spent going.
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Old 02-22-2010, 08:17 PM
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haha i know A4s can be pretty nasty with the right stall and with a shift kits and some tuning to them i would know
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This is a very interesting thread. I don't think that the GTO's are slow at all. Did everyone forget that Big_Bird(02 SS) has 3.90 gears. I was there and witnessed the races....from behind of course because my car is SLOW...the GTO refused to race from a low roll and only wanted 45 rolls or higher. And both times they shut it down at 110. The 02 SS shifted 3 times. The GTO only shifted 1 time. And the OP(02 SS) already admitted that he was a little "rusty" at driving the M6...but I assure you it wasn't full blown "granny" shifts. I also was suprised with the GTO. I also have a new respect for them.
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From what I've gathered, BOTH bolt-on GTOs AND Fbodys can trap 114mph but no higher. I've raced both and neither are faster than me.

Throw in a stock Cobra and I think we're all in the same boat, differences in driver mod and fuel/trunk load on any given day.

Full bolt-on LS1s are over 350rwhp btw? I thought 330ish tops?
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Originally Posted by Deuuuce
From what I've gathered, BOTH bolt-on GTOs AND Fbodys can trap 114mph but no higher. I've raced both and neither are faster than me.

Throw in a stock Cobra and I think we're all in the same boat, differences in driver mod and fuel/trunk load on any given day.

Full bolt-on LS1s are over 350rwhp btw? I thought 330ish tops?
From what I gather about what you've gathered is that you have idea what you're talking about.

12.7 @ 111 is slower than what my GTO ran stock with DR's. Add just headers and a tune and I hit a 114.9 trap.

And to date, I've not yet lost to an SRT-8 anything, and I've raced probably 20 of them.
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if you guys are still bitching watch this video same mods intake fullexhaust tune both m6s and very close races idc what anyone says its a drivers race
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWh6v...F14FA2&index=2
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Originally Posted by Deuuuce
From what I've gathered, BOTH bolt-on GTOs AND Fbodys can trap 114mph but no higher. I've raced both and neither are faster than me.

Throw in a stock Cobra and I think we're all in the same boat, differences in driver mod and fuel/trunk load on any given day.

Full bolt-on LS1s are over 350rwhp btw? I thought 330ish tops?


another ill informed wanna be car guy! lol i know how a few header, intake A4 fbody that make more than 350 to the wheels on a mustang dyno! and everyone know those read LOW! i have never meet a SRT8 anything that hasnt seen but my tail lights at the track even when i was bone stock! worse now with the 3200 stall! i think your racing A4's with 2.73 gears or lt1 fbodys thats about the only thing ur tug boat could beat!

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Actually to Deuce, on the GTO boards people are going low 12s with headers, tune and DRs. The stock tune on the GTOs is horrible and people would pick up 20 rwhp on a stock car getting a good tune. There are actually a few header/tune only cars in the 390 rwhp range.
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Sounds about right. When I was just bolt ons I was able to take out 2 different friends cars. Both were cam'd, geared, and tuned fbody's. And it wasn't because of their lack of driving skill either. They both can slam gears pretty good. I just think that our stock gearing really allows us to shine on the highway. Good death to a worthy opponent!
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Originally Posted by Phantom_LS2
I just think that our stock gearing really allows us to shine on the highway.
YES!!! I absolutely agree.

Plus the gearing and power advantage are really noticed against stock F bodies off of rolls and espeically on the highway. Suprised a few of my LS1 F body owning friends
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LS1 fbody VS GTO arguments over here are worse than Ford vs GM ones

Unless of course you are talking LS1 fbody VS 03/04 Mach1. Then the **** IS ON.
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