BigBirdLS1

Today I raced 4 times my friends 06 GTO. My car is in sig T56 trans. His car is a T56 GTO 6.0 with longtubes no cats through stock muffler and tips and a CAI. We raced from a 55 roll 2 times and he won by 1/2 car both times. We then raced from a 45 and he won by a fender. Then we caught a red light and attempted a dig run but I spun TERRIBLY so I aborted that run I almost went into the grass on the side of the road. Today is the first time I have driven my car in a month and the first races I've had in close to a year. I wasn't real sure how the race would turnout but it definitely surprised me. They were great runs but I am wanting to know your thoughts and experiences racing GTO's is this outcome expected or is something wrong here.

bamaballa205

iTrader: (12)

Comparing both cars mods. I thought it wold've been the other way around considering your gears. M6 or Auto?

therobman

iTrader: (39)

a bolt on m6 gto should be even with a bolt on m6 f body if they have the same mods

BigBirdLS1

Both cars are manual and I thought it would be the other way around. I think that the gears hurt going from that high a roll but he only pulled me when I shifted then he stopped pulln at all. I haven't even driven my car in a month and gone wot in over a year so I'm definitely thinking my lack of driving it hurt me. I chalk it up to driver error on my part.

Ju1ce

Not really, the LS2's are quicker stock for stock and mod for mod until you get into heads/cam setups. Header/tune GTO's (no other mods just headers and a tune) will on average make 375-380whp. Most LS1's with headers and a tune only would be hard pressed to make 330whp.

inb410pagesofstockls1smake330whp

GT-OH

iTrader: (7)

I can't say I would agree with that.

BigBirdLS1

I would say that it should be close 6.0 vs a 5.7 but I know for a fact that headers and stock tune my car put down 340hp and 350tq at the wheels. I have no idea what it makes now that I have a mail order tune. His car I have no idea if he has a tune or not.

06 6.0 GTO

I also disagree. And i have done a lot of real life "research"

BigBirdLS1

It seems the consensus is that the F body and GTO were not even and I am wondering who had the advantage. I am still up in the air on this one IMO I feel the GTO had the gear advantage because of the speed and probably power advantage. I am guessing that I had a slight weight advantage. I do know that in the 1/8 drag strip I consistently run faster times than him. I run 8.7xx at 84mph. The best has has ran was a 8.9xx at 80mph at the same drag strip. A roll is completely different than a dig and ANYTHING can happen on the street. I guess that is racing.

therobman

iTrader: (39)

ive raced man ls2 manual gtos with the same mods as me before the cam and its a drivers race yea the gto makes more power but an fbody has a few hundred pound weight advantage and juice u must be an idiot if you think a full exhuast tuned M6 ls1 puts down 330rwhp they put down 310-320 stock a lid fill exhuast and tune puts them at 350-360. if it really did make 330 with those mods how do people throw a cam on top of that and make 410-420 ur not picking up 80-90rwhp with a cam

96RamAirTA

iTrader: (6)

my car made almost 330 stock with just a tune

not sure what i make now with LTs, ORY, staight piped LM1, P&P TB,MAF and 3200 stall needs a new tune and ive got to proof to back it up! and ive walked 6.0 GTOs with full exhausts

FlashLCD33

iTrader: (8)

Win.

Dyno numbers don't mean ****, stop racing them.

I call shens on a 330whp tune only A4 car. You won't make that with your "mods."

96RamAirTA

iTrader: (6)

here you go



simiarly modded 6.0 GTO vs. LS1 WS6 from 55 both cars are A4s with intake, LT's no cats and LM1s

ScreaminRedZ

iTrader: (3)

OP, the results look about right to me. The LS2 GTO's seem to be about 1-2 mph faster than the LS1 fbody's, so I'd think that with similar mods the GTO would be capable of pulling out a slight win from a roll.

BigBirdLS1

Thanks for the input guys it was a very close race. To be honest I thought it would be close but I really thought I had the advantage guess I was wrong. with youtube vids I've been seeing looks like the 6.0 GTO and F bods are very close with similar mods from a roll. I will run him again and I will for sure not be so nice and actually use my bottle

GTOSE

iTrader: (1)

From a dig you would've had him, since your car is lighter.

From a roll he had you because of his power advantage.

FlashLCD33

iTrader: (8)

The dyno sheet says its in WA and you're in TX?

330whp stock out of an A4 just seems out of line. Maybe it's just a very happy dyno.

But, dyno numbers are irrelevant for the most part.

BigBirdLS1

That is exactly what he said after the roll races. We did try a dig but I spun WAAAY to bad and when I grabbed 2nd I about got thrown in the ditch so I let out of it. I did lose but it was close and my car sounds alot better than his LOL. If he heard me say that Hehe

WSsick

iTrader: (13)

im making sure im reading this right, you are saying that when you go H/C that LS1s will make more power than LS2s?

Ju1ce

No that's not what I'm saying. Typically when fbodies start going that crazy they have better ways to put the power down than do GTO's.

Typically...