unit213

His car is badass for sure. He's really got that chassis working.

navyblueSS

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You must have a weak running LS1 if you would be happy running low 12's with a MS3 cam. Low 12's is bolt-ons only territory.

00silverGTP

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no. my car runs extremely well. thats not the norm around here. 4 bolt on ls1s at the track on friday. the best was 12.8........ best I have ever witnessed was a 12.4 and that was a stalled auto with 410s on slicks....

I ran a 12.82 @ 112 with bolts. only been to the track 1 time.

95Prplppletrz28

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my bolt on LT1 car can run mid 12's says my 1/8th mile times, i sure hope an ms3 cammed ls1 with easily 100 more rwhp can manage to run better than 3-4 10's quicker than me!

Stopsign32v

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You toot that LT1 horn alot.

navyblueSS

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I ran 12.20s with bolt-ons, Yank 3600, and 3.23 gears on 17s. Most of the bolt on only cars in my area are in that et range. Most of the cam-only cars are in the 11.40-11.90 range depending on cam size and weight. I ran a best of 11.64 cam only at 3600lbs with a 228R cam. Not saying your car is slow just stating the times that I regulary see out of these cars.

95Prplppletrz28

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Im just saying man

corysmach1

One of the faster cars aound here was a H/C LS-1 M6 car that went 11.30 at 122....it made 450rwhp with 4:10's. I beat him also.

corysmach1

We can argue this into the ground....about who went what at the track but we are talking about on the street and mostly roll racing. I am just saying i dont see a cam only LS-1 beating the properly setup Cobra. And from a roll is where the LSX cars really shine.

Stopsign32v

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Sometimes I wish I had a bigger camshaft.

Redfire 03

For every video you post like this i can post a video with a complete opposite scenario. Like this one w/ a Trex cam-only LS1 taking on two pullied termi's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF-1gw1jA8s

I use to do a LOT of street racing and when I was pulley only I lost to a few Vindicator/MS4 cam-only cars. Some make in the area of 43x-44x believe it or not, and with just a little weight reduction they can easily run with or pull ahead of a pullied car. Being a Cobra owner i've had first hand experience.

223HAWK

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Not a Cobra..but close..

My car is pretty much a Cam only and I cant get into the 11s on street trim. Now with bigger tires you bet I will. Its hard to get the 6 speed to "WORK" and run good from digs..but heres a vid of me and a buddy.. basically a Stage 3 Roush..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4jNDOvL_pk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxFuF...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQuoB...eature=related

navyblueSS

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Well said.

corysmach1

Those need 2 speed videos are ancient. there is also videos of Mdiablo who had a pullied cobra beating Havoc when he was cam only....and when he had a 100 shot with his cam losing to a ported car. Jagermeisters car was strong for the mods but it didnt even make 400rwhp I wanna say 390rwhp and trapped 115-116. but like I said thats why the street is so fun anything can happen. Trust me I have seen some 'slow" pullied cobras and some strong cam only cars.....I am not denying that it cant happen I am just saying it hasnt happend 2 me....and thats not to say it wont happen. If I get beat by one I would for sure post it up I am a very honest guy and enjoy racing win or lose......of course its funner when you win.

PewterScreaminMach

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Holy hell this thread went downhilll fast after the first post.
Just to throw out some more numbers into the mix, everyone knows my car pretty well. Full weight at 3,500 without me in it, very mild H/C setup (stock LS6 intake, 224/228 cam, $900 heads, steep geared, heavy drivetrain); it went 11.4 at 121 repeatedly at the last rental day I went to. Good day, good track, but I did it six times that day. My brother's car cam-only ran pretty much dead even with me from a roll, but I'd wreck him pretty good from a dig. His car was a strong cammed car that FULL WEIGHT trapped 118.9 at Englishtown on his only run that day and 117 at a shittier track (LVD in NY).

People aren't taking into consideration the fact that a "cam-only" LS1 has a HUGE range, same as with a H/C LS1. There's a big difference between a mild sleeper cam-only, full weight LS1 Fbody and a giant cammed, stripped out LS1 Vette. There's also a big difference between a very mild H/C setup like mine vs a TFS headed/Vindicator cammed/FAST 92 intaked LS1, and then all of the possibilities in between.

And I haven't even gotten into a full weight car vs one with a little weight reduction vs a totally stripped down car or thrown in variable such as different drivetrains setups (transmission, stock M6 vs MN12 vs Auto, 3.42s vs 4.10s or 4.56s, light stock 10-bolt vs heavyweight spool or 9-inch, etc, etc, etc). You're literally talking multiple-second differences between a mild cammed LS1 and a totally done out cammed LS1, same as with a H/C setup.

And we haven't even begun to touch on the drive mod variable, which in itself could account for a good second and multiple miles per hour at the track or especially on the street.

Without plugging in one or two dozen variables for each car, it's pretty much impossible to say how an "average cammed LS1" will do against an "average pullied Cobra". The only fact that remains without bringing the whole "well from what I've seen..." nonsense is that pretty much anything can happen on the street. No one knows all the variables. The best thing you can do is give as many details as possible for that particular race and hopefully get it on video for everyone to enjoy. I've raced a few pullied Cobras with my car and a few ported ones but those races have absolutely nothing to do with how the OP's story went down because the cars, drivers, and all related variables are completely different. The same thing goes for all of the videos and stories everyone else is posting to try to prove why they're right.

Just my thoughts.

EDIT: and I would hope we all know by now that dynos are basically for tuning purposes and trying to compare numbers from different dynoes on different days and at different shops, is pretty much useless. And let's not even get started on peak numbers vs torque curves and all of the variables that come in to play with dyno wars.

916 BREDWNR

Regardless of how much power it was making to the wheels it had enough to beat a pullied Cobra. A big cammed car done right can have a monster curve.

therobman

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heres a couple more videos to throw in the mix depends on setup and drivers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8CiT...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Myc5F...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REI3U...eature=related

ponygt65

maybe it's just me, but gears and stall are not bolt ons. So to say bolt on only for low 12s is a tad mis-leading. bolt on gears and stall with DRs sure.

Like I said though, maybe that's just me.

BlkBird2000

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I guess all of the cobra owners I raced so far have been terrible drivers. I don't go by dyno numbers or MY track time. I was slipping the clutch because of the 10 bolt. once a moser goes in I'm sure this car will go 11.50 and lower.

corysmach1

I agree with pewterscreaminmach way to many different setups and drivers out there......I could post a million videos on here but its pointless we will just all pick them apart. The H/C/I car I raced had an MS4 with TSP 5.3 heads and a Fast 90 intake with 4:10's and all the bolt ons. I would consider that a pretty good setup I know he has alot left on the table with some better heads.....