2 near stock '02 WS6's verse 2 '11 5.0 GT's.
08-01-2010, 03:02 PM
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The 6 speeds have, you can use google just as good as I can. And that's why I said nowhere near 12.30's, to make up the for whatever he gained with the mods he has.
08-01-2010, 03:30 PM
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Lol really? Compare the 1/4 mile times/track times/ any times of the '11 ss and the '11 5.0. Nice try though, I always heard you guys loved your ls1's, but I had no idea you'd stretch the truth this far to just say they're still in the game. Again, I in no way shape or form do not like your guys' cars. To be frank, I love them capabilities/strength of them, but it's time to realize the mustang has FINALLY outdone the camaro...
08-01-2010, 03:34 PM
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I know I have 0 credit on here, reason one: I have no posts and have been lurking for years, reason two: I have a cobra. haha
But, I have to say you're wrong here, a buddy of mine just bought an '11 GT auto, with a set of 4:10's and tune he went 12.37@111(i'm not 100% sure on the trap, but I think that's it.) That E.T. is exactly what the bone stock 6 speed track pack's are going...I don't believe that is a drivers race. I'm not here to knock lsx guys, I love the cars, just have never came across a camaro or c5 vette optioned and in the condition for the price I wanna pay or I would have one. Sorry for the long post, I just don't want you guys thinking i'm here to start/talk ****. I'm not, I just think the ls1=new 5.0 comment was a little off. Maybe an ls6=5.0? Just my opinion(sorta) gentleman...Carry on.
But, I have to say you're wrong here, a buddy of mine just bought an '11 GT auto, with a set of 4:10's and tune he went 12.37@111(i'm not 100% sure on the trap, but I think that's it.) That E.T. is exactly what the bone stock 6 speed track pack's are going...I don't believe that is a drivers race. I'm not here to knock lsx guys, I love the cars, just have never came across a camaro or c5 vette optioned and in the condition for the price I wanna pay or I would have one. Sorry for the long post, I just don't want you guys thinking i'm here to start/talk ****. I'm not, I just think the ls1=new 5.0 comment was a little off. Maybe an ls6=5.0? Just my opinion(sorta) gentleman...Carry on.
Hey, genious, the point of my post, since it obvisouly traveled well over your head, was that the 5.0 should be matched up with the LS3 Camaro, rather than a 13 year engine and finding something this closely matched after 13 years is pretty impressive in itself. With that being said, the 5.0 has a slight advantage but the fact that this 13 year engine/technology is giving it one H*ll of a fight with a VERY close and accurate representation of what could have been 13 years ago is why. People can say track prep or gears or whatever but the bottom line is not every 5.0 that you run into on the street or track is going to be optimally optioned or conditions or equal drivers so this is a controlled display of real life. Let's compare the last year the LS1 was made(2002) for the F-Body and compare it to a 13 year old Mustang and watch what happens.
Have you been hiding under a rock or what? The new 5.0 is right on par with the new camaro and is a drivers race with the edge to the new 5.0. Do some research before you talk like you know something when it's clear you do not.
Evan smith ran 12.6 on street tires and then went 12.3 on a DR completely bone stock!
08-01-2010, 03:37 PM
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And in case anyone else gets pissed off and confused, don't act like I don't understand what's going on. Ever since the '97 Vette was released and then the '98 F-Body, the LS1 has been dominate, in it's class, and has yet to be dethroned. The 2010 Camaro has made a big push to do so and Ford, with the new 5.0 has tipped the scales in it's favor. This is the end of the LS1's dominate era and either the beginning of the 5.0s or the 5th Gen Camaro. We are now in the turning point and my whole argument was the LS1, even as old as it is, is still able to compete with the newer cars(the favored 5.0) and not letting it's title go lightly. I know it will come to pass but these are the finals months of it's reign and it isn't going down without a fight.
News to me
08-01-2010, 03:44 PM
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And your point? Tires should never be considered a mod, Its more of a safety aspect. Any car with power needs a sticky tire to eliminate wheel spin and keep it safer
My point is if it's not on the car when bought stock, it isn't stock and anything changed to increase performance over stock should be listed as a mod. Just like the lightweight wheels. Simple as that. It can serve mutiple purposes.
Have you been hiding under a rock or what? The new 5.0 is right on par with the new camaro and is a drivers race with the edge to the new 5.0. Do some research before you talk like you know something when it's clear you do not.
My point is if it's not on the car when bought stock, it isn't stock and anything changed to increase performance over stock should be listed as a mod. Just like the lightweight wheels. Simple as that. It can serve mutiple purposes.
Have you been hiding under a rock or what? The new 5.0 is right on par with the new camaro and is a drivers race with the edge to the new 5.0. Do some research before you talk like you know something when it's clear you do not.
08-01-2010, 03:53 PM
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I expect some criticism, I've just never seen a ls1 go anywhere near 12.30's stock. I'm not sure what kind of wheel/tire package he ran to get the 12.37, but I will say it was in cleve's ohio, on a 90 degree humid day.
Nevermind:Found the video, I'l ask him what the da' was.
Nevermind:Found the video, I'l ask him what the da' was.
Sticky tires=not stock when talking like this.. Sure if you are out on a friday night or just a normal track visit a stock car with tires is stock.. But for the sake of this argument... Tires=not stock.
Evan smith ran 12.6 on street tires and then went 12.3 on a DR completely bone stock!
What most would consider a drivers race with the edge to the 5.0 on the street.
08-01-2010, 03:53 PM
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You're a true fanboi 
08-01-2010, 03:54 PM
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That car is not stock, period. The video/point/etc etc etc is totally irrelevant.
This.
Nowhere near? 12.7 IIRC is the ls1 record.... And that was truly stock (not gears/tune/etc, bone stock with radials, not even skinnies).. That is pretty damn close IMO.
Complete ******* bull ****. If I posted a bone stock camaro doing XX.XX everyone would bitch cause it had tires and wasn't stock.
Sticky tires=not stock when talking like this.. Sure if you are out on a friday night or just a normal track visit a stock car with tires is stock.. But for the sake of this argument... Tires=not stock.
So with tires and Evan Smith driving both cars there is give or take .3 of a difference.
What most would consider a drivers race with the edge to the 5.0 on the street.
This.
Nowhere near? 12.7 IIRC is the ls1 record.... And that was truly stock (not gears/tune/etc, bone stock with radials, not even skinnies).. That is pretty damn close IMO.
Complete ******* bull ****. If I posted a bone stock camaro doing XX.XX everyone would bitch cause it had tires and wasn't stock.
Sticky tires=not stock when talking like this.. Sure if you are out on a friday night or just a normal track visit a stock car with tires is stock.. But for the sake of this argument... Tires=not stock.
So with tires and Evan Smith driving both cars there is give or take .3 of a difference.
What most would consider a drivers race with the edge to the 5.0 on the street.
08-01-2010, 03:59 PM
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Yeah, cause those cars were still in it's class right? None of those cars listed were in the same class as the 98-02 F-Body. My point stands and yours is invalid. And how are you gonna compare cars of the same year that wasn't produced? Oh yeah, I see it being done in this thread where the LS1 IS STILL OUTRUNNING the brand new 5.0.
You guys are hilarious. Hurry hit refresh! I'm about to reply hit it again!
08-01-2010, 04:04 PM
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Yeah, I get that. I'm talking 98-02 F-Body of course. Isn't that the point and purpose of this entire thread? The LS1 F-Bodies vs 5.0 and the 5thG LS3 Camaro? Come on, focus. Class is determined by price range. Also props to you for keeping everything real mature.
I love it! 
08-01-2010, 04:08 PM
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FOR ANYBODY EVER TRYING TO SAY I AM A NUT SWINGER ONE WAY OR THE OTHER OR OFF ANYBODY ELSE NUTS!!!!!!
I just agreed with Frosty and went against all the Ford people (stop/f8lbyte/etc).... Then 2 posts later I disagreed with Frosty and liked Stopsigns post.
I am not biased (at least MUCH MUCH less than 98% of the people on this site), I am not brand loyal or a nut swinger.
Carry on.
I just agreed with Frosty and went against all the Ford people (stop/f8lbyte/etc).... Then 2 posts later I disagreed with Frosty and liked Stopsigns post.
I am not biased (at least MUCH MUCH less than 98% of the people on this site), I am not brand loyal or a nut swinger.
Carry on.