Nastyc4

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You are right it's just opinion and I probably shouldve left it out of this thread. I had a big 'showdown' with a local STI that had a fully modded motor and ran low 10s 2 years back. Safe to say he helped pay for my new motor after i gave him a beat down by 6 car lengths on the freeway in the vette. After that it stings to see a fellow camaro owner take it from one ( and by one I mean sti/evo I know this is an evo lol)

nickate

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Howzabout some pics or possibly a vid of this Mid 9 second corvette??!!!??

Sounds REALLY BADASS ON THE 'NET!

Nastyc4

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Everything sounds badass on the net !! i got no need to prove anything to anyone. I ran 127.8 mph NA on 19" street tires. You can guess what the mph would have been with the 250 shot added to that 9s never happened. neither did 10s. my car is for roll ons only i hate 1/4 mile racing. 334 km/hr did happen on the street

kidcamaro98

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shut the **** up

kidcamaro98

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then maybe you should just get off this forum and go to a evo/sti forum. This is the wrong forum to preach about how STi's and evo's are better cars then mustangs and f-bodys.

Johnnystock

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You just got walked OP by a lighter car putting as much or more than you to the ground...so nothing is wrong with your setup!

Time to slap on heads and FAST 102mm LOL

Johnnystock

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+1... Cant believe he really had to bring the 11' 5.0l in this, again...

Its funny how I think fbodys are better than Evos or STIs but this is my 02.

blackls1ta00

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here comes the crying lol

nickate

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Since you speak plurally of the 19's I am assuming they're out back... WHAT'S YER DRIVE TIRE THAR Cooter?

Any stability problems at 200mph on the street with that trike?

(You should really shut up now.... the more you brag the more I believe you're the tooth fairy!)

Nastyc4

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19" on the FRONT you numnutz !! didn't you ever ride a big wheel?

Irunelevens

And you can both suck it, considering I've been here longer than both of you. I have my opinions, and you have your's.

RaggedRides

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So what's it take to bring an old DSM up to par with something like this and keep it decently reliable?

1992TsiAWD

Depends on a lot of factors.

Mostly maintainance-related questions.

Who owned the car?
-Was it an old lady who kept it stock and drove it only on the weekends?
-Was it a stupid kid who turned up the boost and beat the hell out of it?
-Somewhere in between?

How often was the oil changed?

What type of fuel was used?

Was the timing belt changed at the requisite 60,000 mile interval?


If the car was modified, a lot depends on the extent of modification and how good the tune was (if it was tuned at all).

The older the car is, and the more miles it has, the greater chance there is that you will have to deal with the annoying little maintainance quirks, such as worn balljoints and axles, stuff like that.

The great thing about DSMs is even if all goes wrong, it's never too expensive to buy a new (used) block and start all over again.

RaggedRides

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What I'm getting at is what can one expect from a similarly modded DSM? Cams, bolt-ons, tune and an equivalent sized turbo to what that Evo is running. How far behind are they?

Beans

Not much, if any. DSMs are lighter, which is why no Evo can get near the DSM drag records, regardless of how much money companies like AMS throw at their cars.

1992TsiAWD

Actually, AWD DSMs weigh about the same as EVO 8/9s. 1Gs and EVOs weigh about 3100lbs, and 2Gs weigh about 3200lbs.

Comparing acid-stripped-chassis race cars to street cars is a bit silly in this discussion, is it not?



RaggedRides:

An EVO 3 16G (basically the most common turbo upgrade for DSMs) is a comparable turbo to the EVO 8's 16G...the EVO 9's stock 16G turbo is a bit bigger (the FP HTA68 is a good match). These turbos realistically max out around 400hp.

There are a multitude of turbos available for DSMs, so don't limit yourself to those which are similar in performance to the stock EVO turbos. The Holset HX35 off of the late 90s Cummins turbodiesel has emerged as a popular turbo for DSMs recently due to its quick spool and decent power potential (over 500hp).

Provided your car is in good maintainance (I'm stressing this for a reason), the stock engine is good for up to around 500hp. Aftermarket head studs are easy to change, and help a lot with holding the engine together during high boost.

Supporting mods needed for around 400-450hp (parenthesis provides an example that's common and good value):

High flow fuel pump (Walbro 255lph)-$90
Adjustable fuel pressure regulator (FueLab/Aeromotive)-$200
Injectors (850-1000cc)-$250
Tuning device (ECMLink v3Lite)-$350
Frontmount intercooler/piping (VRSF kit)-$380
3" exhaust (any good downpipe + custom testpipe/catback)-$500
Air filter (K&N)- $40
Head studs (ARP)- $90

If you have a 1G 5M, the stock 14B turbo is good for 350hp.

Otherwise, the A4 1G and 2G turbos (13G and T-25) are only good for about 260hp.

An EVO3 16G costs about $595, and will let you reach about 400-450hp.


Join a DSM forum (DSMTalk, DSMTuners) and they will help you out even further. I'm on DSMTalk (cAPSlOCK97gst) mostly.

Beans

Good post.

Depending on the model and options, Evos are 3200-3400 (the X of course is heavier).

A well prepped Evo III 16G DSM is just as fast as a well prepped stock turbo Evo, and i think that was the ultimate question.

RaggedRides

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Thanks for the lesson brother. I've always been intriqued by 4G63 powered cars, but mostly the old school Talons and Eclipses because of how affordable and plentiful they are. I was actually on the hunt for a daily a few months back, but had trouble finding a clean example.

I think I will join up and lurk for awhile just to learn a bit. I've always had an itch to own one. Incredible the potential those little ******* have with such little money, especially considering when they were made. I had no idea a well maintained factory shortblock could withstand so much.

Looks like I got some reading to do.

1992TsiAWD

I didn't see anyone answer your question, so here you go:

The stock EVO injector is 560cc/min (for comparison, the stock DSM injector is 450cc).

With 560s, you can run up to around 300-350whp (depending on your base fuel pressure).

For 400whp, I'd get 750-850cc, just to be safe (they all cost the same anyway).

I don't know enough about the stock EVO fuel pump to tell you if it's up to the task, but I believe it would be stretching its limits at 400hp.

dsmfan95

The stock Evo injectors can support 400whp (on gasoline not e85) with stock fuel pressure. I purchased a Walbro well before I upgraded injectors because so many people were having issues with stock fuel pumps.

Honestly with all of the tuning advances, there's no point in upgrading to anything less than a 1000cc injector IMO. My new high impedance 2000cc injectors idle and drive better than my old low impedance 1000cc injectors.