FINALLY!!! Cobalt SS Stage 1 vs. G8 (daytime VID!)
08-16-2010, 07:14 PM
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full bolt ons and a tune(hp tuner or trifecta) will net about 320 to 340 wheel hp depending on the dyno.
and about 370 to 380 wheel tq
zz performance went 11.9 at 114 at ~335 wheel hp, stock turbo no meth.
for camparison sake, the gms1 will dyno about 270 to 280 wheel with no bolt ons(its not really designed for bolt ons, so using a cai, etc may actually screw the maf readings and loose hp)
and about 370 to 380 wheel tq
zz performance went 11.9 at 114 at ~335 wheel hp, stock turbo no meth.
for camparison sake, the gms1 will dyno about 270 to 280 wheel with no bolt ons(its not really designed for bolt ons, so using a cai, etc may actually screw the maf readings and loose hp)
08-16-2010, 07:49 PM
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i believe full bolt-on and extreme tunes (infiniboost) guys are in th upper 300's (ie: 360-380) in tq....HP is a little lower.
the lil stock turbo runs out of breath with full boltons and a good tune.
but, there is def some power to be had if i did an intake, DP, etc etc......
of course, im not doing any of that so its an educated guess
08-16-2010, 07:58 PM
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dont quote me, there are a few guys here that know much more (and a few that think they do) about them but i will take a shot.
i believe full bolt-on and extreme tunes (infiniboost) guys are in th upper 300's (ie: 360-380) in tq....HP is a little lower.
the lil stock turbo runs out of breath with full boltons and a good tune.
but, there is def some power to be had if i did an intake, DP, etc etc......
of course, im not doing any of that so its an educated guess
i believe full bolt-on and extreme tunes (infiniboost) guys are in th upper 300's (ie: 360-380) in tq....HP is a little lower.
the lil stock turbo runs out of breath with full boltons and a good tune.
but, there is def some power to be had if i did an intake, DP, etc etc......
of course, im not doing any of that so its an educated guess
08-16-2010, 08:06 PM
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full bolt ons and a tune(hp tuner or trifecta) will net about 320 to 340 wheel hp depending on the dyno.
and about 370 to 380 wheel tq
zz performance went 11.9 at 114 at ~335 wheel hp, stock turbo no meth.
for camparison sake, the gms1 will dyno about 270 to 280 wheel with no bolt ons(its not really designed for bolt ons, so using a cai, etc may actually screw the maf readings and loose hp)
and about 370 to 380 wheel tq
zz performance went 11.9 at 114 at ~335 wheel hp, stock turbo no meth.
for camparison sake, the gms1 will dyno about 270 to 280 wheel with no bolt ons(its not really designed for bolt ons, so using a cai, etc may actually screw the maf readings and loose hp)
What they won't tell you about are the 15 inch wheels because they swapped to smaller brakes, ripped 300lbs out of the car, ran on slicks and tied the rear end up with a tow cable.
That same 11.90 car in street trim would be just another high 12 Cobalt.
08-16-2010, 08:15 PM
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ZZP has a shop car. It is a designated test mule and the only results that are posted are skewed versions of reality to hype and sell parts. Did it run 11.9 @ 114 with the stock turbo? Sure it did. Is that all that the fanbois need to see to buy up ZZP parts like mad? You bet. Has ANYONE else done 11.9? Nope.
What they won't tell you about are the 15 inch wheels because they swapped to smaller brakes, ripped 300lbs out of the car, ran on slicks and tied the rear end up with a tow cable.
That same 11.90 car in street trim would be just another high 12 Cobalt.
What they won't tell you about are the 15 inch wheels because they swapped to smaller brakes, ripped 300lbs out of the car, ran on slicks and tied the rear end up with a tow cable.
That same 11.90 car in street trim would be just another high 12 Cobalt.
guess its a good thing i have the hugger and im good with just an aftermarket tune and then bedone
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08-16-2010, 08:18 PM
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Its when you jack the rear of the car up by tying suspension parts tight with a tow cable. It makes the rear end stiff to the point where it's almost unsafe. It also allows you to launch the **** out of a FWD car.
08-16-2010, 08:30 PM
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actually cmiller on css.net ran 12.0 at 116 on slicks which is flying, and he still has the stock IC!
stock turbo at about 25 to 26psi with the "pill mod"
he just added meth, but did not run meth when it ran 12.08 the first time, which is a **** hair away from an 11 sec pass which will prob come this fall.
and he does not have a shop car, does not have 300 lbs out of the car, but does have lsj brakes swapped out so he can run 15 inch slicks, not sure what that matters anyway?
its all about the traction with fwd, because the hp is there to run high 11's with these cobalts.
but I do agree, 11 sec cobalts are very few and far between.
stock turbo at about 25 to 26psi with the "pill mod"
he just added meth, but did not run meth when it ran 12.08 the first time, which is a **** hair away from an 11 sec pass which will prob come this fall.
and he does not have a shop car, does not have 300 lbs out of the car, but does have lsj brakes swapped out so he can run 15 inch slicks, not sure what that matters anyway?
its all about the traction with fwd, because the hp is there to run high 11's with these cobalts.
but I do agree, 11 sec cobalts are very few and far between.
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08-16-2010, 08:54 PM
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actually cmiller on css.net ran 12.0 at 116 on slicks which is flying, and he still has the stock IC!
stock turbo at about 25 to 26psi with the "pill mod"
he just added meth, but did not run meth when it ran 12.08 the first time, which is a **** hair away from an 11 sec pass which will prob come this fall.
and he does not have a shop car, does not have 300 lbs out of the car, but does have lsj brakes swapped out so he can run 15 inch slicks, not sure what that matters anyway?
its all about the traction with fwd, because the hp is there to run high 11's with these cobalts.
but I do agree, 11 sec cobalts are very few and far between.
stock turbo at about 25 to 26psi with the "pill mod"
he just added meth, but did not run meth when it ran 12.08 the first time, which is a **** hair away from an 11 sec pass which will prob come this fall.
and he does not have a shop car, does not have 300 lbs out of the car, but does have lsj brakes swapped out so he can run 15 inch slicks, not sure what that matters anyway?
its all about the traction with fwd, because the hp is there to run high 11's with these cobalts.
but I do agree, 11 sec cobalts are very few and far between.
By "11 sec cobalts are very few and far between". You mean the ONLY ones in existence are owned by ZZP.
08-17-2010, 07:17 AM
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Juice,
don't know why you feel the need to post false info about cobalts?
anyway, there are others out there that ran faster than a 12.8.
I upgraded my clutch(I had not slipping at all, just did it as a piece of mind), but other are having no issues stock at these tq and hp levels.
like any car, the more hp you make, the more **** wears out. nothing lasts forever
Just like my 10 bolt in my old z28, when I started making power, I was worried it was going to **** the bed on slicks, so I had mikey swap in a moser 12 bolt.
don't know why you feel the need to post false info about cobalts?
anyway, there are others out there that ran faster than a 12.8.
I upgraded my clutch(I had not slipping at all, just did it as a piece of mind), but other are having no issues stock at these tq and hp levels.
like any car, the more hp you make, the more **** wears out. nothing lasts forever
Just like my 10 bolt in my old z28, when I started making power, I was worried it was going to **** the bed on slicks, so I had mikey swap in a moser 12 bolt.
08-17-2010, 09:46 AM
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Juice,
don't know why you feel the need to post false info about cobalts?
anyway, there are others out there that ran faster than a 12.8.
I upgraded my clutch(I had not slipping at all, just did it as a piece of mind), but other are having no issues stock at these tq and hp levels.
like any car, the more hp you make, the more **** wears out. nothing lasts forever
Just like my 10 bolt in my old z28, when I started making power, I was worried it was going to **** the bed on slicks, so I had mikey swap in a moser 12 bolt.
don't know why you feel the need to post false info about cobalts?
anyway, there are others out there that ran faster than a 12.8.
I upgraded my clutch(I had not slipping at all, just did it as a piece of mind), but other are having no issues stock at these tq and hp levels.
like any car, the more hp you make, the more **** wears out. nothing lasts forever
Just like my 10 bolt in my old z28, when I started making power, I was worried it was going to **** the bed on slicks, so I had mikey swap in a moser 12 bolt.
2010 LSJ/LNF Throw Down
The Year of Taking the Next Step....
No Shop Cars Please....
Anything goes...Nitrous, turbo, superchasrger, bring it....
1. cmiller8006 LNF stock turbo 12.0863@110.67mph Timeslip PIC lol @ 6 tenth difference to the next best time
2. BYT*SS*TURBO LNF stock turbo 12.685@109.03mph Timeslip VID
3. VeNoM0713 LSJ turbo swap 12.692@113.26mph Timeslip VID
4. Maxim_X LSJ turbo swap 12.84@120.31mph Timeslip PIC
5. skip_jones, LNF 12.914@110.29Timeslip PIC VID
6. clever_trevor... LNF 12.929@113.25 Timeslip PIC
7. D-mac LNF stock turbo 13.044@107.75mph Timeslip PIC
8. zrated89 LSJ stock m62 13.125@107.31mph Timeslip PIC
9. 2006RedCobaltSS LNF Stock Turbo 13.182@108.95mph Timeslip Pic 1 Pic 2
10. mike_peperni LNF stock turbo 13.240@109.23mph VID Timeslip
The Year of Taking the Next Step....
No Shop Cars Please....
Anything goes...Nitrous, turbo, superchasrger, bring it....
1. cmiller8006 LNF stock turbo 12.0863@110.67mph Timeslip PIC lol @ 6 tenth difference to the next best time
2. BYT*SS*TURBO LNF stock turbo 12.685@109.03mph Timeslip VID
3. VeNoM0713 LSJ turbo swap 12.692@113.26mph Timeslip VID
4. Maxim_X LSJ turbo swap 12.84@120.31mph Timeslip PIC
5. skip_jones, LNF 12.914@110.29Timeslip PIC VID
6. clever_trevor... LNF 12.929@113.25 Timeslip PIC
7. D-mac LNF stock turbo 13.044@107.75mph Timeslip PIC
8. zrated89 LSJ stock m62 13.125@107.31mph Timeslip PIC
9. 2006RedCobaltSS LNF Stock Turbo 13.182@108.95mph Timeslip Pic 1 Pic 2
10. mike_peperni LNF stock turbo 13.240@109.23mph VID Timeslip
The next quickest stock turbo Cobalt is a 12.91.
But wait! What about last year???
2009 LSJ/LNF Throw Down
The year of record setting....
No shop cars please.... lol @ no shop cars
Anything goes...Nitrous, turbo, supercharger, bring it....
1. Ryan@zzp, 11.091@132.34mph, LSJ Timeslip VID ZZP SHOP CAR
2. Matt M, 11.4381 @ 126.68, LNF VID Timeslip ZZP SHOP CAR
3. OneCOLDBIZL272, 12.235@119mph, LSJ Timeslip PIC TURBO LSJ NOT LNF
4. cmiller8006, 12.294@112.79mph, LNF Timeslip OH HAI CMILLER
5. Maxim_X, 12.609@112.17, LSJ Timeslips PIC TURBO'D LSJ
6. Revhigh18, 12.806@113.83, LNF Timeslip VID OH WHAT'S THIS? NEXT QUICKEST STOCK TURBO LNF IS 12.8????
7. hatrickstu, 12.932@108.19, LSJ Timeslip
8. BYT*SS*TURBO, 12.94@111.38, LNF TIMESLIP PIC
9. StreetDreamz, 12.9536@108.56, LSJ Timeslip PIC
10. firestorm, 12.962@108.39, LSJ PIC Timeslip
The year of record setting....
No shop cars please.... lol @ no shop cars
Anything goes...Nitrous, turbo, supercharger, bring it....
1. Ryan@zzp, 11.091@132.34mph, LSJ Timeslip VID ZZP SHOP CAR
2. Matt M, 11.4381 @ 126.68, LNF VID Timeslip ZZP SHOP CAR
3. OneCOLDBIZL272, 12.235@119mph, LSJ Timeslip PIC TURBO LSJ NOT LNF
4. cmiller8006, 12.294@112.79mph, LNF Timeslip OH HAI CMILLER
5. Maxim_X, 12.609@112.17, LSJ Timeslips PIC TURBO'D LSJ
6. Revhigh18, 12.806@113.83, LNF Timeslip VID OH WHAT'S THIS? NEXT QUICKEST STOCK TURBO LNF IS 12.8????
7. hatrickstu, 12.932@108.19, LSJ Timeslip
8. BYT*SS*TURBO, 12.94@111.38, LNF TIMESLIP PIC
9. StreetDreamz, 12.9536@108.56, LSJ Timeslip PIC
10. firestorm, 12.962@108.39, LSJ PIC Timeslip
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08-17-2010, 12:36 PM
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yep people think the cobalts are monsters because of there topend and dont pay attention that with all that topend there E.Ts are not impressive at all. does no good to be pulling someone back hard after the finish line.
08-17-2010, 02:09 PM
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Actually... with the stock turbo the Cobalt's top end is garbage. They start losing steam bad when they shift to 4th gear.
08-17-2010, 06:03 PM
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Onecoldbizl272 ran those times on the stock supercharger the eaton m62...it was not a turbo car and still isnt he went tvs 1320
08-17-2010, 07:55 PM
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