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Old 09-15-2010, 12:36 PM
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LS2 GTO:Auto, K&N intake, Cat-back exhaust.
2011 5.0: Manual, stock.

I was pumping gas and I see a black GTO and a blue 5.0 line up at a redlight then I started thinking man that would probably be a good race to see! Right after that the light went green and they both took off.. The GTO jumped out almost 2 cars on the 5.0! I was shocked because the 5.0 didnt spin much at all, and from what I could tell it stayed about like that untill they shut down. About two hours later I was getting out of my car at walmart and I ran into the guy with GTO ( Ive met him before and didnt even realize it) I told him i saw the race and he said " Yea it was a good run, I let off at 100 when he started to slowly catch up haha"

- Anyways I know its not much of a kill considering I wasnt in the race, but Im bored and figured I would post up anyways!
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Nice......
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I have heard there are a lot of nannies on the new 5.0s. I'm thinking that may be why the gto got such a big jump, or he was sleepin, or just couldn't drive a stick well. To many variables, but it says something about the new 5.0s that it was catching up in higher mphs
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Good run... I wanna run into a 5.0! I've only seen two & the drivers were old. Did the GTO have a stall?
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Originally Posted by the jester 812
I have heard there are a lot of nannies on the new 5.0s. I'm thinking that may be why the gto got such a big jump, or he was sleepin, or just couldn't drive a stick well. To many variables, but it says something about the new 5.0s that it was catching up in higher mphs
+1 I dont think he could drive a stick all that well.

- And no the GTO didnt have a stall, it was all stock with just intake,catback and heavy black rims lol
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cool race.
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Thanks for posting it. -but-
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mindboggling that these magazines are showing 12.7 @110+ for '11 GT with 3.73's given these poor street performances???
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all the more reason for me to go test drive one and scare the sh*t out of some salesman
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I think the guy just didnt know how to drive... the stang still had the paper tag so he probably JUST bought the car lol
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Originally Posted by TonyGXP
mindboggling that these magazines are showing 12.7 @110+ for '11 GT with 3.73's given these poor street performances???
They perform very well in my opinion. I raced a brand new bone stock automatic 5.0 in a heads up run in 2700' DA last month in Shreveport. The thing went 13.0 @ 110 mph. That is very good for an auto car in bad air. I bet a converter only 5.0 can go 12.00 to 12.2 in great air with sticky tires.
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Originally Posted by madden
They perform very well in my opinion. I raced a brand new bone stock automatic 5.0 in a heads up run in 2700' DA last month in Shreveport. The thing went 13.0 @ 110 mph. That is very good for an auto car in bad air. I bet a converter only 5.0 can go 12.00 to 12.2 in great air with sticky tires.
Converter isnt going to do much at all for a stock 5.0 GT. They already come with somewhere between a 2300-2600 stall from the factory, and with a 6 spd transmission there just wouldn't be much a converter could help with. Now a tune to give them full power without computer nannies kicking in? Yeah, THAT will do the trick... with a stall... and full exhaust... then a cam upgrade... THEN you are solid 11's without having to worry about DA #'s.
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Originally Posted by Sticks n Stones
Converter isnt going to do much at all for a stock 5.0 GT. They already come with somewhere between a 2300-2600 stall from the factory, and with a 6 spd transmission there just wouldn't be much a converter could help with. Now a tune to give them full power without computer nannies kicking in? Yeah, THAT will do the trick... with a stall... and full exhaust... then a cam upgrade... THEN you are solid 11's without having to worry about DA #'s.
I can't put up a good arguement about the stall on a new mustang 5.0 but the 5 speed previous generation 05 + mustangs are getting about a half second reduction with a stall I believe. I find it very hard to belive that a good stall wont get that 60' down. The one I raced only got a 2.0 60'. A stall would get it into 1.7 range I would think. That would probably be around a .5 second quarter mile reduction. The fact is that you better hold on to to your lunch if you have a stockish ls car or a new 5.slow might just eat it.

Oh and you always have to worry about the DA.
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Originally Posted by Sticks n Stones
Converter isnt going to do much at all for a stock 5.0 GT. They already come with somewhere between a 2300-2600 stall from the factory, and with a 6 spd transmission there just wouldn't be much a converter could help with. Now a tune to give them full power without computer nannies kicking in? Yeah, THAT will do the trick... with a stall... and full exhaust... then a cam upgrade... THEN you are solid 11's without having to worry about DA #'s.

Converter alone in a stock. 5.0 will help at a minimum 3 to 4 tenths with sticky tires. The part about it having a 6 speed trans not benefiting the 60ft times is bogus because they have a low 1st gear which is designed to get the car moving and a stall would only help it more. Lets just say someone were to put a stall in one it would most likely be a 3500... how would that not help it get the 60ft times down. The new 5.0 can easily be an 11sec car with a stall, tune, gears and tires, The cams are not really needed to make the car 11sec worthy because it is a dual overhead cam and they can be tuned separately with the new sct software and in conjunction with the VCT. I was at the track when jason ran the new 5.0 and the guy was cutting terrible 60's and had 18's on the car and was a fully loaded model so im sure it isn't as heavy as the GTO but a stock GTO to a stock 5.0 if both guys can drive would be a good race to see but im afraid the favor is not of the GTO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71F_BnJ35Lc

thats the stock 5.0 that we are talking about in the video and the race he went 13.0 i believe.

while im at it here ya go video below.....Only mods are Stainless Works Headers, Catted Mid-Pipe, Catback, Livernois Motorsports 1-Pc. Aluminum Driveshaft,4.10 Ring & Pinion, Livernois Motorsports Dyno Tune and Wheels/Tires - NO CAI, NO SUSPENSION MODS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGWyeJUx-LM , imagine what cams would do in this thing.
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Does the new 5.0 benefit as much from a tune as the old s197?

Just wondering.

Good....witness on the kill! GTO can never lose.
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Originally Posted by BubbaRATM
imagine what cams would do in this thing.
Not much, in fact not much at all. Its a mod motor, cams arent going to make or break it. In fact with terminators the only time i heard of one being cammed it ran for GT cams lol But the cost for swapping all four cams is rather high, and really not worth it in 99% of cases.
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Originally Posted by 06 6.0 GTO
Not much, in fact not much at all. Its a mod motor, cams arent going to make or break it. In fact with terminators the only time i heard of one being cammed it ran for GT cams lol But the cost for swapping all four cams is rather high, and really not worth it in 99% of cases.
Cams do make a great difference unless you are talking about "hot rod" cams and then there is no point at all but sound, Comp Cams XFI Mother Thumpr series cams and the VSR 127500's help just as much as a cam in a LS car.
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Originally Posted by 06 6.0 GTO
Does the new 5.0 benefit as much from a tune as the old s197?

Just wondering.

Good....witness on the kill! GTO can never lose.
yes, per SCT's site......

"The 2011 Mustang 5.0L pre-loaded tune files add up to 28 Rear Wheel Horsepower & 34ft-lbs of Torque to the automatic transmission equipped Mustang, and a tire shredding 32 Rear Wheel Horsepower & 31ft-lbs of Torque to the 6 speed manual transmission vehicles. SCT's new 2011 Mustang 5.0L pre-loaded tune files also increase throttle response, shift firmness and remove the Mustang's Top Speed and RPM Rev limiter, allowing maximum performance from your 2011 Mustang GT."


keep in mine this is not a custom tune, this is just a handheld tune.
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Yeah its HAS to be he couldnt drive. No way a slow *** heavy 14 second GTO could even be in the same zip code as one in a race.


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