1994 Camaro LT1 vs 2005 "Modded" Mustang GT
10-16-2010, 07:16 PM
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Hate LT1's? No, not even close. I practically worshipped them when they first came out. Nearly bought 1 a few times,and my friends all had them in various forms from vette to Z28 to Imp SS. I'm friends with Ellis whose LT1 will wipe the floor with the vast majority of built LSx cars out there.
Oh, and FWIW I drove a 3v 5 speed the other day and it feels a little bit stronger up top than my friends 96 WS6 (M6, longtubes, true duals).
I think next week sometime I will go find a stock 3v auto and race it against a friends stock LT1 auto. Should make for an interesting race.
I think next week sometime I will go find a stock 3v auto and race it against a friends stock LT1 auto. Should make for an interesting race.
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10-16-2010, 07:54 PM
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G8 ran a 13.5 bone stock and so did I. With tires I am positive I could have done a 13.2. Tell me how many LT1's can knock off a 13.2 at around 104 with mild bolt ons? I don't know much about them but I do know that there have been a few bolt on LT1's at the local track in the low 14's at around 97 mph. Might be able to get a high 13 out of it at that mph.
10-16-2010, 08:10 PM
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05 GT and an LT1 are dead nuts even. LT1 has a small advantage down low, and GT has a small advantage up top.
Seriously, it is a drivers race every time.
Now, a 180k beat up POS LT1(the kind that runs 14's@97 with bolt-ons...is this on top of a mountain??) versus an 05 with 30k on the clock may show a different story, but they are both very similar platforms stock for stock.
It might be because LT1s get slower every year though, so even though 12's with bolt-ons was no big deal in the 90s, now you need heads and a cam to reach 300rwhp and run 13s in an LT1.
Seriously, it is a drivers race every time.
Now, a 180k beat up POS LT1(the kind that runs 14's@97 with bolt-ons...is this on top of a mountain??) versus an 05 with 30k on the clock may show a different story, but they are both very similar platforms stock for stock.
It might be because LT1s get slower every year though, so even though 12's with bolt-ons was no big deal in the 90s, now you need heads and a cam to reach 300rwhp and run 13s in an LT1.
10-16-2010, 09:04 PM
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This guy I know is that way. He wants to race my 5.0 but IF it ever happens he is going to get someone else to drive his car. I honestly don't care if he drives it or not. But I would feel like **** if I let someone drive my car and they did a better job. That is like a back handed slap to the face.
10-16-2010, 09:08 PM
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I have never seen a stock LT1 trap 105 mph. That sounds rediculous to me. LS1's stock trap that and make a **** ton more power. Hows that even possible? I have seen probably 4 at the track by me, and no it's not on a mountain. They were ALL trapping at or under 100 mph. Maybe my area got the **** LT1's. Anybody else want to chime in here and show that LT1's trap 105 stock? Never heard of it. LT1 is what, 285 HP? Thats like 250 rwhp. In a 3500 lbs car I just don't know if it would have it in it.
10-16-2010, 09:51 PM
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10-16-2010, 10:10 PM
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I have never seen a stock LT1 trap 105 mph. That sounds rediculous to me. LS1's stock trap that and make a **** ton more power. Hows that even possible? I have seen probably 4 at the track by me, and no it's not on a mountain. They were ALL trapping at or under 100 mph. Maybe my area got the **** LT1's. Anybody else want to chime in here and show that LT1's trap 105 stock? Never heard of it. LT1 is what, 285 HP? Thats like 250 rwhp. In a 3500 lbs car I just don't know if it would have it in it.
Dyno numbers can be deceiving. LT1's make a **** ton of torque at a very low rpm. I'm telling you, I've owned 7. :;
10-16-2010, 10:25 PM
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I have never seen a stock LT1 trap 105 mph. That sounds rediculous to me. LS1's stock trap that and make a **** ton more power. Hows that even possible? I have seen probably 4 at the track by me, and no it's not on a mountain. They were ALL trapping at or under 100 mph. Maybe my area got the **** LT1's. Anybody else want to chime in here and show that LT1's trap 105 stock? Never heard of it. LT1 is what, 285 HP? Thats like 250 rwhp. In a 3500 lbs car I just don't know if it would have it in it.
285 is a stingy estimate for their flywheel, but if you were talking about autos your rwhp is about right. Most autos do only put down around 245. Manuals around 265. Nothing to celebrate about.
Trap doesn't really mean everything, since they have a nice usable power curve. Don't make a ton of power stock, but they use what they do make very well. An auto can easily run well into the 12s with bolt-ons but still not trap too impressive.
Indeed. A member of this site just ran 12.3s a few days ago with his LT1 with mild boltons. Stock engine, including rockers, and not a gutted drag car - just a well dialed in street car. Not typical results, but possible(I could only muster a 12.8 when I had a handful of bolt-ons.)
10-16-2010, 10:45 PM
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Old Car and Driver issue '97 SS going 13.6@106.
http://stangbangers.com/96_CobraVsCa...rd_Article.htm
10-16-2010, 11:01 PM
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Indeed. A member of this site just ran 12.3s a few days ago with his LT1 with mild boltons. Stock engine, including rockers, and not a gutted drag car - just a well dialed in street car. Not typical results, but possible(I could only muster a 12.8 when I had a handful of bolt-ons.)
All this false LT1 BS is really funny. Like how in heck does a bolt on LT1 go low 14's nowadays when they were going 14.0 or better showroom stock. These things really get slower by the year man I tell you. Glad I sold all mine.
10-16-2010, 11:05 PM
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I ran an 05+ GT. Driver said it had full bolt ons and 4.10's. 40mph roll he hung all of 2nd with my car barely edging out a fender. 3rd and 4th I pulled around 3 car lengths in total. Dig runs I destroyed him out of the gate and shut down end of 4th with about 6-7 lengths. Anything can happen on the street.
10-16-2010, 11:09 PM
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I'm sure most of them will not be that quick. I bet my mustang could have done high 12's basically stock on a perfect day when the planets aligned, but I could only get a mid 13. Low 13 with drag radials I'm sure. Point is, MOST LT1's will be 14.0/ high 13 cars stock. I can understand that once in a while one will run good, but so will any car under perfect circumstances. Your normal LT1 driver is what I have seen at the strip by me. I have driven one, and it was a decently strong motor, but didn't feel like it had the umph that my mustang did. Maybe it's just me. Not trying to start a big stink, but I never though much of LT1's based on the results I've personally experienced. I'll have to look into them more and learn a bit more about them.
10-17-2010, 07:36 AM
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Like I have said in other threads, it's all in the driver and tune on these cars. All had was a brenspeed tune, intake, catback with drag radials and ran 13.1 all day at 103-106. So if he was "modded" I'm sure he had more stuff then me. I also ran my car to 6,400 stock you got to shift at 6,100. Guess I should have bought a LT1 though. Run 14.0s then put a couple of bolt ons on and run 12s all day. Puck explain how trap speed doesn't mean anything on a LT1 car. Wouldn't the trap speed show the nice power curve you speak of.
10-17-2010, 09:09 AM
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TUNE UP. A tired old neglected LT1 driven by a high schooler whose last three owners have never done any maintenance will not run like it should.
No need to take my word for it, just look up all the car mags from the late 90s and early 2000s - 12s with bolt-ons were no big deal, a few tests got bottom 12s out of them
. ~15 years of abuse isn't the best for an engine though, so I can see where these slow 14 second LT1s are coming from now.Like I have said in other threads, it's all in the driver and tune on these cars. All had was a brenspeed tune, intake, catback with drag radials and ran 13.1 all day at 103-106. So if he was "modded" I'm sure he had more stuff then me. I also ran my car to 6,400 stock you got to shift at 6,100. Guess I should have bought a LT1 though. Run 14.0s then put a couple of bolt ons on and run 12s all day. Puck explain how trap speed doesn't mean anything on a LT1 car. Wouldn't the trap speed show the nice power curve you speak of.
Maybe you are right, you should have just got an LT1
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GMHTP LT1 Bolt-on Results:
96 Z28.
Induction: K&N filter,descreened MAF,Crane 1.6 RR's
Exhaust: Edelbrock shorties & ORP,dual Flowmaster exhaust
Electric water pump
Stock pullies
Suspension: Mac torque arm,BMR rear sway bar & K member
Tranny: 6M with Hurst shifter
Rear end: Moser 12 bolt with 4.10's
BFG drag radials,skinnies in front & disconnected sway bar
Best et: 1.80 60', 12.34 e.t @ 109.7 mph
96 T/A
Ram air box with K&N,Crane varible RR's set at 1.71,52mm TB
Hooker LT's,Mufflex ORP,Bassani exhaust
Electric water pump
March pullies
Automatic W/ Vigilante 3600 rpm stall
3.73 gears
BFG DR's
Custom programming
1.66 60', and 12.53 @ 106.97
94 Z28: 12.44 @ 106.07
97 WS6: 12.264 @ 108.78
97 T/A: 12.39 @ 108.64
95 T/A: 12.73 @ 108.67
96 Z28: 12.84 @ 104.8
93 Formula: 12.90 @ 106
97 Z28: 12.70 @ 109.52
94 T/A: 12.74 @ 105.32
93 Z28: 12.82 @ 105.9
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...7 or 8 years go by and now the same cars are magically two seconds slower
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10-17-2010, 01:36 PM
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dead even with a 3v, i don't think so.
my stock 2v would run even with my buddies 6spd lt1 every time. from a higher roll he may have gotten half a car and from a lower roll i would get about half a car.
my stock 2v would run even with my buddies 6spd lt1 every time. from a higher roll he may have gotten half a car and from a lower roll i would get about half a car.