stock 510 HP Viper vs stock 436 HP Vette
12-23-2010, 03:51 AM
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Who here has run their LS2 Vette stock? I have to agree I never saw them run mid to low 12s and trap 114-116MPH without mods but that doesn't mean they didn't. Just curious what people ran with theirs. I know with bolt ons(stock cam and intake were not ideal) and cam they run like raped apes without even touching the heads....
12-23-2010, 04:09 AM
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12-23-2010, 06:18 AM
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Ranger has gone 10.71@133 BONE-STOCK in a ZR1 with actual footage of that run. Far better than any magazine time you can quote. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woOqq...er_profilepage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woOqq...er_profilepage
KILLEMALL- so now your saying Motortrend is lying about 11.2 at 131.2? Or are you just mad because no Viper has trapped what a Ford GT has till this day and it came out in 2005 lol. Incase you didnt know, with great drivers in great conditions ppl were trapping 128-130 in Ford GTs when they came out! Was it rare? YES. But has been done in great weather (couldve been negative DA) with great driver and powershifting. ON AVERAGE a Ford GT with a great driver and great weather will trap about 127 no more than 128.
What ppl are forgetting is GTs were under rated. Some has even Dynoed over 500rwhp bone stock despite being rated at 550hp.
MM&FF ran a Ford gt to an 11.0 at 131 when they tested it also in 05.
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12-23-2010, 10:46 AM
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Ive seen that. Thats why i said strictly MAGS or WEBSITE tests. If you want to talk about what ppl have have stock then thats a different story. There are plenty of owners that have driven Ford gt's and Vipers into the 10s and have trapped higher than what these mags/ internet testers have. But all thats speculation as some ppl dont believe that its 100% bone stock thats why i kept it to MAGS/ INTERNET road tests where we know the cars were stock. Even in this thread someone (not sure what pg but somewhere in this thread) somebody stated that he has a hard time believing Rangers records. Like i said thats why i kept to straight MAGS/INTERNET TESTS because all that other stuff is just speculation and it will be different opinions as to if its real or not.
May I add that's not the only BONE-STOCK ZR1 to run in the 10's @ 131-133. And there were more stock ZR1's trapping in the 130+ range than there were stock FGT's (no suprise considering the ZR1 makes MORE POWER Duh!). The 2009 Corvette ZR1 is the fastest American production car to date, no other way to put it.
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12-23-2010, 11:11 AM
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I'm pretty sure that I saw Donnie Walsh drive his to 128mph. This was years ago
though so I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that was the trap speed. Your
122mph estimated trap is very low though. More like 125mph. Regardless, the
FGT is a bad dude. Anyone who has driven one knows that.
though so I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that was the trap speed. Your
122mph estimated trap is very low though. More like 125mph. Regardless, the
FGT is a bad dude. Anyone who has driven one knows that.
12-23-2010, 12:02 PM
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I'm pretty sure that I saw Donnie Walsh drive his to 128mph. This was years ago
though so I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that was the trap speed. Your
122mph estimated trap is very low though. More like 125mph. Regardless, the
FGT is a bad dude. Anyone who has driven one knows that.
though so I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that was the trap speed. Your
122mph estimated trap is very low though. More like 125mph. Regardless, the
FGT is a bad dude. Anyone who has driven one knows that.
12-23-2010, 04:16 PM
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Huh? What? Ok!
May I add that's not the only BONE-STOCK ZR1 to run in the 10's @ 131-133. And there were more stock ZR1's trapping in the 130+ range than there were stock FGT's (no suprise considering the ZR1 makes MORE POWER Duh!). The 2009 Corvette ZR1 is the fastest American production car to date, no other way to put it.
May I add that's not the only BONE-STOCK ZR1 to run in the 10's @ 131-133. And there were more stock ZR1's trapping in the 130+ range than there were stock FGT's (no suprise considering the ZR1 makes MORE POWER Duh!). The 2009 Corvette ZR1 is the fastest American production car to date, no other way to put it.
May I add that's not the only BONE-STOCK ZR1 to run in the 10's @ 131-133. And there were more stock ZR1's trapping in the 130+ range than there were stock FGT's (no suprise considering the ZR1 makes MORE POWER Duh!). The 2009 Corvette ZR1 is the fastest American production car to date, no other way to put it.
May I add that's not the only BONE-STOCK ZR1 to run in the 10's @ 131-133. And there were more stock ZR1's trapping in the 130+ range than there were stock FGT's (no suprise considering the ZR1 makes MORE POWER Duh!). The 2009 Corvette ZR1 is the fastest American production car to date, no other way to put it.
You say the zr1 makes more power but thats not true! The zr1 makes 505 to the wheels. Some Ford GT's dynoed over 520 to the wheels bone stock so there is no Duh!
Its just like the 2010 Shelby GT500. Its suppose to make 540hp to the crank but guess what it dynoed 511 rwhp BONE STOCK. LOOK!
http://blogs.insideline.com/straight....photopanel..1
I never said the Ford GT was faster than a zr1. Of course a zr1 will often run quicker E.T.s and trap higher than a FGT. It should the Zr1 is designed more for a Drag car than a FGT. FGT is designed for more of a road race car. This whole conversation was originated and based on a FGT trap speed of 131 which you and killemall said it wasnt possible or whatever. All im saying is it is possible. Like i said, so i guess Motortrend will lie on that test huh lol.
Why is it so hard to believe a FGT has trapped 130 before. Look at it like this, most z06's according to mags/ Internet tests traps 123-125 and run 11.7 on average. Most owners will tell you that with a good driver they are capable of low 11s at about 127. So that would be a difference in 4mph from the lowest internet/mag road tests (123) to owners that are good drivers that trap 127.
Another example, most zr1 tests traps about 127-128 on average (highest being 130). If Ranger trapped 133 thats about 6 mph more than the average. What im saying is that if he traps more 6 more than the average test and 3 more mph than the fastest test (130mph) than why cant a FGT trap 130 with a great driver in great weather if it traps 125 -126 on average. That would be 4-5 mph same as the above examples i gave! Same concept with a great driver and great weather!
Speculation. Some say stock some say just a tune etc. so im not really sure
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12-23-2010, 04:22 PM
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Car looks nice BTW, but I wouldnt buy one.
12-23-2010, 05:23 PM
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Once again this is based off of INTERNET/ MAG TESTS not owners test thats all specualtion! The highest trap you will find in a mag or internet test from a zr1 is 130. the lowest is 126. Show me another stock zr1 to trap more than 130 thats not a owner claiming to do that. YES, owners that have trapped more than 130 may CLAIM its stock, but like i said before thats just all speculation. Maybe it is stock, maybe its not. Thats just like me sayin i ran a z06 to a 132 trap speed in great weather in negative DA. It would be all speculation. Either you believe it or you dont. Im a Vette guy myself but i will tell you alot of Vette guys tend to lie about performance. Some may say its bone stock but have a tune only or just a CAI or so.
You say the zr1 makes more power but the zr1 makes 505 to the wheels. Some Ford GT's dynoed over that to the wheels bone stock!
I never said the Ford GT was faster than a zr1. Of course a zr1 will often run quicker E.T.s and trap higher than a FGT. This whole conversation was originated and based on a FGT trap speed of 13q which you and killemall said it wasnt possible or whatever. All im saying is it is possible. Like i said, so i guess Motortrend will lie on that test huh lol.
Why is it so hard to believe a FGT has trapped 130 before. Look at it like this, most z06's according to mags/ Internet tests traps 123-125 and run 11.7 on average. Most owners will tell you that with a good driver they are capable of low 11s at about 127.
Another example, most zr1 tests traps about 127-128 on average (highest being 130). If Ranger trapped 133 thats about 6 mph more than the average. What im saying is that if he traps more 6 more than the average test and 3 more mph than the fastest test (130mph) than why cant a FGT trap 130 if it traps 125 -126 on average. Same concept with a great driver and great weather!
Speculation. Some say stock some say just a tune etc. so im not really sure lol
You say the zr1 makes more power but the zr1 makes 505 to the wheels. Some Ford GT's dynoed over that to the wheels bone stock!
I never said the Ford GT was faster than a zr1. Of course a zr1 will often run quicker E.T.s and trap higher than a FGT. This whole conversation was originated and based on a FGT trap speed of 13q which you and killemall said it wasnt possible or whatever. All im saying is it is possible. Like i said, so i guess Motortrend will lie on that test huh lol.
Why is it so hard to believe a FGT has trapped 130 before. Look at it like this, most z06's according to mags/ Internet tests traps 123-125 and run 11.7 on average. Most owners will tell you that with a good driver they are capable of low 11s at about 127.
Another example, most zr1 tests traps about 127-128 on average (highest being 130). If Ranger trapped 133 thats about 6 mph more than the average. What im saying is that if he traps more 6 more than the average test and 3 more mph than the fastest test (130mph) than why cant a FGT trap 130 if it traps 125 -126 on average. Same concept with a great driver and great weather!
Speculation. Some say stock some say just a tune etc. so im not really sure
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12-23-2010, 07:59 PM
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GUYS look..The FGT is my favorite american car and I would go in this order personally
FGT>ACR>ZR1>REG VIPER>Z06
But The FGT is not FAST!!!!!!! Not 1/4 mile fast atleaste..
100-200 mph its FAST
road track it is fast for the year it came out
I dont pull this crap outta my *** when I make those list. I actually searched th FGT forums and asked the right people. With a tune/.pully change its a 127-131 mph car alol day..No questions asked. But bone stock..People trapped 120-122...few touched 123. jamie Furman who is arguably in the top 3 best drag racers in the world for production stock cars only hit 126. thats the record and thats were it starts and ends.
Go to the FGT forums like I did and search your *** off. Talk to the FGT owners and they will tell you straight up a C6Z06 is a faster 1/4 mile car...
There is a reason the 03 style viper and FGT both ran 11.7 at around 123-124 mph in that heads up testing. And thats because they are very close 1/4 mile wise. The FGT is SOLEY for track events. the suspension was never even intended slightly for 1/4 miles. It is a hard car to drag race per the owners.
ZR1 is a bonafied 10 second car. i belieave 3-4 owners have hit 10's stock at 129-133 mph
Viper is a bonafied 10 second car as two owners have hit 10's at 129 mph..Few owners have hit 130-131 mph stock
Z06 while not bonafied with only one 10.99 pass still never the less did it. As well 3-4 people have hit the mythical 127 mph stock trapp speeds and Jamie furman actually squeezed out a 128
The FGT has none of this. Like I said rarity is awesome for many things. but sucks for setting records. What are there like 5k FGT's in the world. NO ONE DRAGS THEM..LOL..Youll be lucky to find 20 drag racing threads on the FGT forum and they sure as hell dont care about stock. these guys just dropped 150K or more on a FORD...They can spend 2k for a pulley tune for another 100 rwhp...Then they go to race tracks. the quarter mile is boring in comparison..
Like I said...to 200 mph this car will beat a c6z06...But to 130 mph it will be slightly behind the z06 and then catch up and pass it. It is some were between the 03 viper and 06 z06 as far as 1/4 mile speed but will take em both out no problem by 160 mph
On the road course. Well It barely edged out the Z06 and Viper back in 2006...Wich was awesome back then...But cars have come a LONG way since then and a 06 Z06 or 06 viper would get embarrassed by 2011 GTR's and porshe 911tt's or even the new Z06 carbon new vipers ect.
In short. The FGT is AMAZING for 2004..But nowadays not so much..Still my fovorite car reguardless on american soil. An all black FGT just screams exotic Demon....Ill eat your children while at the same time makeing that gallardo look boring thing going for it...
case and point with this vid
FGT>ACR>ZR1>REG VIPER>Z06
But The FGT is not FAST!!!!!!! Not 1/4 mile fast atleaste..
100-200 mph its FAST
road track it is fast for the year it came out
I dont pull this crap outta my *** when I make those list. I actually searched th FGT forums and asked the right people. With a tune/.pully change its a 127-131 mph car alol day..No questions asked. But bone stock..People trapped 120-122...few touched 123. jamie Furman who is arguably in the top 3 best drag racers in the world for production stock cars only hit 126. thats the record and thats were it starts and ends.
Go to the FGT forums like I did and search your *** off. Talk to the FGT owners and they will tell you straight up a C6Z06 is a faster 1/4 mile car...
There is a reason the 03 style viper and FGT both ran 11.7 at around 123-124 mph in that heads up testing. And thats because they are very close 1/4 mile wise. The FGT is SOLEY for track events. the suspension was never even intended slightly for 1/4 miles. It is a hard car to drag race per the owners.
ZR1 is a bonafied 10 second car. i belieave 3-4 owners have hit 10's stock at 129-133 mph
Viper is a bonafied 10 second car as two owners have hit 10's at 129 mph..Few owners have hit 130-131 mph stock
Z06 while not bonafied with only one 10.99 pass still never the less did it. As well 3-4 people have hit the mythical 127 mph stock trapp speeds and Jamie furman actually squeezed out a 128
The FGT has none of this. Like I said rarity is awesome for many things. but sucks for setting records. What are there like 5k FGT's in the world. NO ONE DRAGS THEM..LOL..Youll be lucky to find 20 drag racing threads on the FGT forum and they sure as hell dont care about stock. these guys just dropped 150K or more on a FORD...They can spend 2k for a pulley tune for another 100 rwhp...Then they go to race tracks. the quarter mile is boring in comparison..
Like I said...to 200 mph this car will beat a c6z06...But to 130 mph it will be slightly behind the z06 and then catch up and pass it. It is some were between the 03 viper and 06 z06 as far as 1/4 mile speed but will take em both out no problem by 160 mph
On the road course. Well It barely edged out the Z06 and Viper back in 2006...Wich was awesome back then...But cars have come a LONG way since then and a 06 Z06 or 06 viper would get embarrassed by 2011 GTR's and porshe 911tt's or even the new Z06 carbon new vipers ect.
In short. The FGT is AMAZING for 2004..But nowadays not so much..Still my fovorite car reguardless on american soil. An all black FGT just screams exotic Demon....Ill eat your children while at the same time makeing that gallardo look boring thing going for it...
case and point with this vid
12-23-2010, 08:23 PM
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12-23-2010, 08:32 PM
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Jesus Killemall. You Viper worship gets old. We get it if a Viper had a dick you'd be sucking it. Give it a rest dude. Especially this stock ****, no one leaves their **** stock.
12-23-2010, 08:42 PM
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heres a head to head by to average drivers...the 03 viper and FGT both only trapp low 120's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIhDNRz45Gw
here the FGT beats the 06 viper by a second and the Z06 by 2 tenths on the road course.. A GTR or new viper or Z06 carbon or 911TTs would eat that alive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlg1wJB_M70
heres a gts viper with just bolt ons against a pulley/tune FGT...FGT is amazing with simple upgrades
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlg1wJB_M70
Its a sick car and amazing...But it's not as fst as a Z06 and maybe a lil faster than a 03 viper 1/4 mile wise...Go to the FGT boards and see for your self
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIhDNRz45Gw
here the FGT beats the 06 viper by a second and the Z06 by 2 tenths on the road course.. A GTR or new viper or Z06 carbon or 911TTs would eat that alive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlg1wJB_M70
heres a gts viper with just bolt ons against a pulley/tune FGT...FGT is amazing with simple upgrades
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlg1wJB_M70
Its a sick car and amazing...But it's not as fst as a Z06 and maybe a lil faster than a 03 viper 1/4 mile wise...Go to the FGT boards and see for your self
12-23-2010, 08:52 PM
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When my car was stock I played with a local guy who had a stock blue FGT I think 2005?. Surprisingly I ran quite well with him and my Z was actually faster even though he would never truly admit it. I can imagine against a ZR1 it wouldn't even be a fair fight. I heard those FGTs are crazy around the turns though.
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First off a ZR1 will put down 530-545 at the tires bone-stock. My brother Ronnie's (Ron 95ZR1 on here) 09 put down 539 on a 248c dyno with 500 miles on the clock. He went a best of 11.0x@130.5 at MIR. Secondly Ranger and I had several mutual friends that were there the day he ran the red ZR1, including the owner of the car! I can guarantee you that car was BONE STOCK!!! Just like the Z06 he took into the 10's with just drag radials was STOCK. The guy is just a helluva driver. And if you want to discredit him because someone questioned the validity of something you said then go right ahead. And keep studying those magazine times too.
In the end it doesnt really matter both cars are bad ***! Last edited by demarco313; 12-23-2010 at 10:00 PM.