Street Racing & Kill Stories Basic Technical Questions & Advice

Raced a new 5.0

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-05-2011 | 07:14 PM
  #101  
Arc00TA's Avatar
TECH Fanatic

iTrader: (17)
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,729
Likes: 1
From: The 'Nard
Default

Good run OP. Sounds about right, I lost by 2-3 to a stock 5.0 in my bolt on formula which was on the light side (3620 with me and gas). Definitely a car that will challenge a lot of the f-body guys to up the game a little.
Old 01-05-2011 | 07:35 PM
  #102  
Demon 383's Avatar
On The Tree
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 123
Likes: 0
From: Folsom, CA
Default

To the LS1 guys, I don't see what the fuss is about???

Do you guys see the numbers the new EPS lobes are putting out Cam-only? 243 heads can be had for dirt cheap too nowadays ya know. That + supporting mods will turn a bolt-on LS1 into a low 11-second car easy. That's the good thing about the old LS1, the aftermarket is super-cheap and readily available. Just saw a guy roll through the dyno with a stock-bottom 346, EPS 22x and some home-ported 243's lay down 46xrwhp. Just spend a little dough and you can stay in the game no prob.

On the flipside those 2011 GT's are some sweet lookin' rides.

- Demon
Old 01-06-2011 | 09:29 AM
  #103  
oddwraith's Avatar
TECH Fanatic

iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,283
Likes: 0
From: Canada
Default

^^^This.
Old 01-06-2011 | 09:42 AM
  #104  
Ke^in's Avatar
TECH Regular
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 426
Likes: 0
From: MOV
Default

When it comes to mostly stock to slight bolt-on 5.0s I agree.
Old 01-06-2011 | 09:52 AM
  #105  
LT/LS Guy's Avatar
11 Second Club
 
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 96
Likes: 0
From: E-town raceway
Default

Originally Posted by Ke^in
When it comes to mostly stock to slight bolt-on 5.0s I agree.
Up early with the B.S. again I see.

Full Bolt-on 2011 GT will get WALKED with that setup. They don't run low 11's with full bolt-ons.
Old 01-06-2011 | 09:57 AM
  #106  
MauriSSio's Avatar
Launching!
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 265
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by It'llrun
Just $6,800 per set, plus tax then the actual building of the rest of the engine... CHUMP CHANGE! As I recall, I've got around 11K into my entire engine.
those are the "C-Heads" im not sure what kind of power will be had with those on a 5xxci engine but i imagine somewhere areound 1000hp n/a. even his $4100 hemi heads are good for about 850+hp on a street big block and those themselves are some serious heads. More "realistic" heads would be the $2500 P-51 which should put out a solid 750-800hp n/a out of the box on a 514-557stroker

Last edited by MauriSSio; 01-06-2011 at 10:03 AM.
Old 01-06-2011 | 10:06 AM
  #107  
LT/LS Guy's Avatar
11 Second Club
 
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 96
Likes: 0
From: E-town raceway
Default

Originally Posted by Demon 383
To the LS1 guys, I don't see what the fuss is about???

Do you guys see the numbers the new EPS lobes are putting out Cam-only? 243 heads can be had for dirt cheap too nowadays ya know. That + supporting mods will turn a bolt-on LS1 into a low 11-second car easy. That's the good thing about the old LS1, the aftermarket is super-cheap and readily available. Just saw a guy roll through the dyno with a stock-bottom 346, EPS 22x and some home-ported 243's lay down 46xrwhp. Just spend a little dough and you can stay in the game no prob.

On the flipside those 2011 GT's are some sweet lookin' rides.

- Demon
Great post Jasik! That's the same setup i'm doing on my 2000 F-body. EPS 222/226 on a 115 with ported 243's.

This car did 430/415 with stock (untouched) 243's through a stalled A4. My car is an M6 and the heads will be ported.

https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...results-3.html
Old 01-06-2011 | 10:16 AM
  #108  
MauriSSio's Avatar
Launching!
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 265
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by LT/LS Guy
Up early with the B.S. again I see.

Full Bolt-on 2011 GT will get WALKED with that setup. They don't run low 11's with full bolt-ons.
that was on an LS6 long block (not all ls1's came with the ls6 stuff if i remember correctly) and look at the MPH. 117.9mph......(oh yeah also almost 150lbs weight reduction it looks like)

That means it had a hell of a launch (1.5 60'). Bolton mustangs are already running that trap speed or faster. With the mustangs gearing, i wouldnt say low 11's will be out of reach for long with just boltons. its only a monster launch away.

Last edited by MauriSSio; 01-06-2011 at 10:26 AM.
Old 01-06-2011 | 10:24 AM
  #109  
ss1129's Avatar
12 Second Club
15 Year Member
iTrader: (16)
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,529
Likes: 23
From: Ft Lupton, CO
Default

Originally Posted by MauriSSio
that was on an LS6 long block (not all ls1's came with the ls6 stuff if i remember correctly) and look at the MPH. 117.9mph. That means it had a hell of a launch (1.5 60'). Bolton mustangs are already running that trap speed or faster. With the mustangs gearing, i wouldnt say low 11's will be out of reach for long with just boltons. its only a monster launch away.
An ls1 is an ls1. LOL. Man so many mytholigies about ls1's from the ford side.
Old 01-06-2011 | 10:34 AM
  #110  
MauriSSio's Avatar
Launching!
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 265
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by ss1129
An ls1 is an ls1. LOL. Man so many mytholigies about ls1's from the ford side.
so the Z06 came with an LS1????

it says they started off with an LS6 longblock.
Old 01-06-2011 | 10:40 AM
  #111  
Ke^in's Avatar
TECH Regular
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 426
Likes: 0
From: MOV
Default

Originally Posted by LT/LS Guy
Up early with the B.S. again I see.
Maybe you should go to bed earlier so that wont happen ;-)
Originally Posted by MauriSSio
Bolton mustangs are already running that trap speed or faster. With the mustangs gearing, i wouldnt say low 11's will be out of reach for long with just boltons.
This is just common sense. I see a lot of hopeful posts on here. Like I said, when the LS1 first came out the Mustang boards were doing the same. THey WAAY underrated it. And said it was hyped too much. It's been over 10 years now, and it lived up to the hype. So will the 5.0. There will always be those in denial. There will always be those drinking the Hateraid®.
Old 01-06-2011 | 10:47 AM
  #112  
WSsick's Avatar
12 Second Club
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 2,417
Likes: 3
From: St. Peters, MO
Default

Originally Posted by MauriSSio
so the Z06 came with an LS1????

it says they started off with an LS6 longblock.
No one said a Z06 came with an LS1.

Some 01/02s got the LS6 block (nothing for hp), and all 01/02s got the LS6 intake. Other than that, nothing from the LS6 went on an LS1.

Only difference in an LS1 & LS6 is heads and cam, and for certain years the intake.
Old 01-06-2011 | 10:50 AM
  #113  
MauriSSio's Avatar
Launching!
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 265
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Ke^in
Maybe you should go to bed earlier so that wont happen ;-)

This is just common sense. I see a lot of hopeful posts on here. Like I said, when the LS1 first came out the Mustang boards were doing the same. THey WAAY underrated it. And said it was hyped too much. It's been over 10 years now, and it lived up to the hype. So will the 5.0. There will always be those in denial. There will always be those drinking the Hateraid®.
tru. Its not like these new Mustangs (modded) arent gonna be kicking the crap out of my car also. I dont see them as being on MY team, im just presenting some facts and showing people that the competition shouldnt be taken lightly.

anyways heres a bolton automatic mustang. apparently theyve hit 11.4@119 with it which is .11 away from the cammed LS6 quoted above.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STmlGMANS0Q
Old 01-06-2011 | 10:54 AM
  #114  
ss1129's Avatar
12 Second Club
15 Year Member
iTrader: (16)
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,529
Likes: 23
From: Ft Lupton, CO
Default

Originally Posted by MauriSSio
so the Z06 came with an LS1????

it says they started off with an LS6 longblock.
01plus fbodies had ls6 intakes and sometimes blocks. The full ls6 is came with 243 heads and a bigger cam.

There have been rumors of fbodies coming with 243 heads, but I have not see one personally.

But a ls6 block doesnt do **** performance wise, plus if you have an 01+ fbody you have the ls6 intake and a good chance of an ls6 block. But basically the z06 is a cammed ls1 with lighter valves.
Old 01-06-2011 | 10:55 AM
  #115  
MauriSSio's Avatar
Launching!
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 265
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by WSsick
No one said a Z06 came with an LS1.

Some 01/02s got the LS6 block (nothing for hp), and all 01/02s got the LS6 intake. Other than that, nothing from the LS6 went on an LS1.

Only difference in an LS1 & LS6 is heads and cam, and for certain years the intake.
well if they started with an LS6 block and LS6 heads and cam and intake, why would somebody say "an LS1 is an LS1"?? If thats considered an LS1 then wouldnt the z06 engine be considered an LS1 then??

also, ive read that the LS6 block allows better bay to bay breathing at higher rpms....Thats gotta be worth SOMETHING
Old 01-06-2011 | 10:58 AM
  #116  
MauriSSio's Avatar
Launching!
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 265
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by ss1129
.. But basically the z06 is a cammed (01-02) ls1 with lighter valves and LS6 heads.
fixed.
Old 01-06-2011 | 11:03 AM
  #117  
Arc00TA's Avatar
TECH Fanatic

iTrader: (17)
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,729
Likes: 1
From: The 'Nard
Default

An LS6 block is NOT the same as an LS1 block. There are differences in the block design that separate them. They are similar enough that there will be no difference in power output, however the LS6 block has better bay to bay breathing so it is possible to see a few hp difference at high rpm.
Old 01-06-2011 | 11:04 AM
  #118  
Ke^in's Avatar
TECH Regular
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 426
Likes: 0
From: MOV
Default

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

anyways heres a bolton automatic mustang. apparently theyve hit 11.4@119 with it which is .11 away from the cammed LS6 quoted above.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STmlGMANS0Q
But...but...



My original statement stands.
Old 01-06-2011 | 11:06 AM
  #119  
ss1129's Avatar
12 Second Club
15 Year Member
iTrader: (16)
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,529
Likes: 23
From: Ft Lupton, CO
Default

Originally Posted by MauriSSio
fixed.
243 heads werent specific to ls6 motors. The sodium filled valves were specific to the z06 though. So no, you didnt fix anything.
Old 01-06-2011 | 11:09 AM
  #120  
Ke^in's Avatar
TECH Regular
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 426
Likes: 0
From: MOV
Default

Originally Posted by Arc00TA
They are similar enough that there will be no difference in power output, however the LS6 block has better bay to bay breathing so it is possible to see a few hp difference at high rpm.
Are they similar enough that there will be no difference in power, or is it possible to see HP differences in higher RPMs? Not trying to bust your *****, but you kinda contradicted yourself there.



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:14 AM.