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Old 01-20-2011, 11:00 PM
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Aren't there cam-only LS3s making 500rwhp? That's definitely within range.
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Originally Posted by automach1
WRONG
OK, your welcome to check out the 5th gen section anytime you'd like.
Old 01-20-2011, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by automach1
WRONG
So you have proof of this or are you the typical troll that just posts without regard to proof. I'm guessing the latter but I may be surprised. I doubt it though.
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Originally Posted by jeffreycastgsx
We've already gone over this, right? 5.0 has better heads stock, higher compression, AGGRESIVE VCT setup, shorty headers stock, annd revs higher.....
youre gonna whine about the 5.0 having 0.3 more compression and 250more rpm??

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...and the LS3 still outputs more hp stock..
not at the wheels....

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Displacement has a LOT to do with it, and so does aftermarket. Apples to apples the bigger WILL ALWAYS make more power naturally aspirated, and thats a FACT, not a speculation.....
LOL Does that mean when its all said and done,i win cuz i got a bigger engine?? I see a lot of bad *** builds in the dyno section that put down more power than me. youre saying apples to apples with very different engines.

Originally Posted by jeffreycastgsx
...The 5.0 is gonna need some ridonkulous cams, over the moon compression, and rev to 8 grand, to make the same power as a cam-only LS3, that is speculation.
basically what you just said is the 5.0 will need to be "cam-only" to make the same power as cam-only LS3 when earlier you said they wouldnt be able to hang with cams......
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The SS is spinning heavy as hell 20's with heavy as hell 14/14.4" rotors. I have a feeling if there was an 18" wheel option with v6 brakes, the SS and 5.0 would be dead even.

I dont know why they released a car with 20's with a drug dealer 21" upgrade option. What happened to back in the day that you could order a car how you want it?
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Many GTs have 19s, so it's not THAT big of a difference.

Edit: Though I feel bad indulging you, why are you begging for attention with your signature?
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
Many GTs have 19s, so it's not THAT big of a difference.

Edit: Though I feel bad indulging you, why are you begging for attention with your signature?
Neither is how much faster a 5.0 is stock for stock. People are acting like the 5.0 is a god send when in reality it just puts the mustang back on the table with "decent" cars.

Weight is the only reason the 5.0 is faster, not the motor. Dont get me wrong, its still a good car, but its not the second coming of Christ like you guys want to believe. Its the same car thats been out since what 2005, they have had time to get the platform right. They finally put a decent motor in it and of course the results will be good.

Look at the challenger srt8, it has a great motor, but again the car is heavy. Its not Fords fault that its competion is some 300-400 lbs heavier, but I think its still remarkable that its a drivers race.

Whats wrong with my sig?
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Originally Posted by ss1129
Neither is how much faster a 5.0 is stock for stock. People are acting like the 5.0 is a god send when in reality it just puts the mustang back on the table with "decent" cars.

Weight is the only reason the 5.0 is faster, not the motor. Dont get me wrong, its still a good car, but its not the second coming of Christ like you guys want to believe. Its the same car thats been out since what 2005, they have had time to get the platform right. They finally put a decent motor in it and of course the results will be good.

Look at the challenger srt8, it has a great motor, but again the car is heavy. Its not Fords fault that its competion is some 300-400 lbs heavier, but I think its still remarkable that its a drivers race.

Whats wrong with my sig?
I'm well aware of the reasons why the '11 GT is competitive with/faster than its competition. But I don't get why you think that it is "remarkable" that it's basically a driver's race between it and the Camaro SS (manual). And your signature is funny because you're obviously fishing for attention (which I'm obviously giving to you), boasting about your high 14s CTS beating every Mustang GT from 1980-2010. That is, assuming it's the DI V6. If not, then it's quite a bit slower than high 14s.
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
I'm well aware of the reasons why the '11 GT is competitive with/faster than its competition. But I don't get why you think that it is "remarkable" that it's basically a driver's race between it and the Camaro SS (manual). And your signature is funny because you're obviously fishing for attention (which I'm obviously giving to you), boasting about your high 14s CTS beating every Mustang GT from 1980-2010. That is, assuming it's the DI V6. If not, then it's quite a bit slower than high 14s.
An auto will run with a 5.0 stock for stock or tune for tune. Yes the cts has the DI motor in it. But its loud and rattles. I think its dying at 18k. What kills me is the caddy is bone stock yet feels like it would kill my lowered/swayed camaro in corners.
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Auto 5.0 vs. L99 Camaro should be a win for the 5.0 everytime, but it's close enough I suppose. You should probably change your signature to say "slow, but still fast enough to beat any Mustang GT from 1980-1986." I feel that would be more accurate . Unless of course you don't really have a CTS V6, and you're just trolling.
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
Auto 5.0 vs. L99 Camaro should be a win for the 5.0 everytime, but it's close enough I suppose. You should probably change your signature to say "slow, but still fast enough to beat any Mustang GT from 1980-1986." I feel that would be more accurate . Unless of course you don't really have a CTS V6, and you're just trolling.
Ill take I have one..well its the wifes car and Im trolling for the win?
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Originally Posted by ss1129
An auto will run with a 5.0 stock for stock or tune for tune. Yes the cts has the DI motor in it. But its loud and rattles. I think its dying at 18k. What kills me is the caddy is bone stock yet feels like it would kill my lowered/swayed camaro in corners.
And if your times are anything to base assumptions off of, I think an automatic 5.0 would have you handled pretty well mod-for-mod. 12.45 @ 110mph with intake/headers/stall/tune isn't exactly anything to write home about, and that seems to be a pretty typical time for an L99 car.
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
And if your times are anything to base assumptions off of, I think an automatic 5.0 would have you handled pretty well. 12.45 @ 110mph with intake/headers/stall/tune isn't exactly anything to write home about, and that seems to be a pretty typical time for an L99 car.
Its 12.2@111 as of now. Wanna bet against it hitting 11s on slicks and skinnies?
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No, but there are several people (real life owners, not "shop cars") that have already hit 11s in their 5.0s with half the mods you have. So I'll stand by my claim that the 5.0 should win stock vs. stock, and mod-for-mod.
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Should being the key word. Its not like its a viper vs a yugo. If you had chuck norris driving both cars doing the same thing every time, the mustang should win....by what .2-.3. If you have 2 guys racing thats nothing when you throw in the non-chuck norris factor.

Again I raced a supercharged mach 1 and I was consistantly beating him by .1-.2 running 12.3 over and over and over on 20s with nittos. 1 time he ran a 12.2 and I still beat him with my 12.3.

Everyone knows the 5.0 componets are more effiecent than what we get on the camaro side...ie intake,exhaust. Theres no suprise there. If you mod a camaro down to 18" wheels with v6 brakes I say its a dead even car with the mustang. Its not Fords fault GM went that route, but again weight is the only mustang advantage.
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I'd put money on a 5.0 with your mods running mid 11s. There are intake/tune cars running what you're running right now. And yes, the potential for running into a not-so-great driver is always there, but I'd rather assume everybody is Mario Andretti.
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Originally Posted by CoolAid
Does it deserve respect? Yes. Does it deserve worship? Not by us it doesnt.
Well said.
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Originally Posted by ss1129
Should being the key word. Its not like its a viper vs a yugo. If you had chuck norris driving both cars doing the same thing every time, the mustang should win....by what .2-.3. If you have 2 guys racing thats nothing when you throw in the non-chuck norris factor.

Again I raced a supercharged mach 1 and I was consistantly beating him by .1-.2 running 12.3 over and over and over on 20s with nittos. 1 time he ran a 12.2 and I still beat him with my 12.3.

Everyone knows the 5.0 componets are more effiecent than what we get on the camaro side...ie intake,exhaust. Theres no suprise there. If you mod a camaro down to 18" wheels with v6 brakes I say its a dead even car with the mustang. Its not Fords fault GM went that route, but again weight is the only mustang advantage.
Why is a SC MACH only running 12.5s? I am running 12.58's at 111 with boltons,DRs and a 2-step. I think if you buddies MACH ran right, he would be handing you your a$$ on a plate with you running a 12.3. IMO
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Originally Posted by MACH32V
Why is a SC MACH only running 12.5s? I am running 12.58's at 111 with boltons,DRs and a 2-step. I think if you buddies MACH ran right, he would be handing you your a$$ on a plate with you running a 12.3. IMO
Why do cammed LS1s with DRs run 13s?


Bad drivers.
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Originally Posted by MACH32V
Why is a SC MACH only running 12.5s? I am running 12.58's at 111 with boltons,DRs and a 2-step. I think if you buddies MACH ran right, he would be handing you your a$$ on a plate with you running a 12.3. IMO
He wasnt my buddy. He wasnt happy that he kept losing either. He did hit a 12.2 on his last run. It was at Union Grove on a t&t night and the track prep did suck.



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