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Old 01-22-2011, 04:33 PM
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The livernois video vs the 2011 Stang is what had my hopes up since I took a tuned SHO. Haven't lined up with one yet but after I correct my Knock sensors I know a nice silver one I will Yank...
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Originally Posted by ScreaminRedZ
I was referring to the LS because he said that he didn't know what they made for horsepower stock and didn't know what his friend's made with a tune.
Ok, just wondering.
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its really too bad Gm doesnt get back into the turbo v6 game... worked out great in the 80's and should work out even better these days... Even worked out good later on with the GTP with the blower. Oh well kudos to ford for putting this out there and i hope GM counters back with a twin snail 6, or even better a twin snail v8, then i could care less about the v6
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I doubt we'll ever see a factory twin turbo V8 with the way things are going, but a turbo or supercharged 6 cylinder would be cool. Always seemed to work well for them in the past.
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Originally Posted by ScreaminRedZ
One went 12.98 @ 105 mph with a catback and mild tune and another went 12.82 @ 106 mph with an aggressive tune (and they say it did 12.78 @ 110 mph on a diferent day).

Looks like they make about 275/300 in stock form and 325/350ish with a tune. Also looks like they gain huge after 5000 rpm when tuned right.
You are correct, thanks for posting!

Being AWD it definitely has an advantage from a dig. My head cam Vette hard a hard time pulling out 12-second Escalade on the street because the Escalade would just leave and I would spin and have to play catch up.

Here is the video of out SHO vs a stock 5.0 and our SHO and a customer SHO at the track

vs. Mustang

Track

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Originally Posted by LivernoisMotorsports
You are correct, thanks for posting!

Being AWD it definitely has an advantage from a dig. My head cam Vette hard a hard time pulling out 12-second Escalade on the street because the Escalade would just leave and I would spin and have to play catch up.

Here is the video of out SHO vs a stock 5.0 and our SHO and a customer SHO at the track

vs. Mustang

Track

-Rick
high 12's @ 105-107mph aint too bad for minor mods on a car like that! You guys got any plans to do something with larger turdbos?
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Originally Posted by MauriSSio
high 12's @ 105-107mph aint too bad for minor mods on a car like that! You guys got any plans to do something with larger turdbos?
We've spent a lot of time with the tune for these vehicles. We have an EcoBoost SHO and Flex. We've tuned over 80 EcoBoost vehicles (mostly SHO's) and I don't know of anyone who has tuned more of these than we have.

The OEM turbos are GT15's and there isn't much room in the factory location to add a turbo that is physically larger. You may be able to change the wheel and get more power, but would likely have to relocate the turbos.

These cars heat up very fast. We've had ours at the track cooling for several hours where it was cold to the touch and idled to the lanes and it was already very warm. The customer with the silver SHO is going to have us add a T-Stat, radiator, and maybe a converter in the spring.

In reply to the earlier post about the looks, I wasn't sold on the looks stock, but we lowered ours, added Perma-chrome wheels, and dark, dark tint all around and it improved the looks dramatically IMO.





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Originally Posted by ScreaminRedZ
One went 12.98 @ 105 mph with a catback and mild tune and another went 12.82 @ 106 mph with an aggressive tune (and they say it did 12.78 @ 110 mph on a diferent day).

Looks like they make about 275/300 in stock form and 325/350ish with a tune. Also looks like they gain huge after 5000 rpm when tuned right.
I'm a little skeptical of 110mph but 12s with just a tune is nice.

Originally Posted by LivernoisMotorsports
You are correct, thanks for posting!

Being AWD it definitely has an advantage from a dig. My head cam Vette hard a hard time pulling out 12-second Escalade on the street because the Escalade would just leave and I would spin and have to play catch up.
Nice work as always. It seems they run similar to an SRT-8 Jeep with a tune and the small turbos are rather maxed. At 4300+ lbs its a huge car!
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i need some vid of this Lincoln LS that whopped a tuned SHO's *** lol..

ok, i have the proof i was looking for to say this.... here's an LS with 100 shot..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7Xvr...eature=related

in other words, you are mistaken about said "tuned" LS beating ANY new SHO...
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here is my encounter with a SHO at the 1/8th track this summer... bone stock he was running 8.9's 9.0's which is awesome for a family car.... I was on street tires with the newly installed 4c stall... needless to say this track with street tires is very hard to hook up with this stall. took 330' to hook haha... i should post up a picture of the hp tuners log showing the tps and me trying to hook up lol.. but you can clearly hear the pedaling.. funny part is i cut a 1.84 60' on this run its just after the 60' there no traction.
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Originally Posted by Deuuuce
I'm a little skeptical of 110mph but 12s with just a tune is nice.

Nice work as always. It seems they run similar to an SRT-8 Jeep with a tune and the small turbos are rather maxed. At 4300+ lbs its a huge car!
The break down of the run where it went 110 mph was like this

60ft...........1.8639
330ft..........5.2890
1/8 ET........8.186
1/8 MPH......85.20
1000' ET......10.6941
1000' MPH....98.25
1/4 ET.........12.788
1/4 MPH.......110.12

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Originally Posted by LivernoisMotorsports
The break down of the run where it went 110 mph was like this

60ft...........1.8639
330ft..........5.2890
1/8 ET........8.186
1/8 MPH......85.20
1000' ET......10.6941
1000' MPH....98.25
1/4 ET.........12.788
1/4 MPH.......110.12

-Rick
That tank was damn sure moving out. Nice work.
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how come it doesnt repeat the 110mph
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Originally Posted by ccxxxxxxx
how come it doesnt repeat the 110mph
I wasn't there when it went 110 mph. The customer showed me 2 slips where it went 110 mph and I have no reason to doubt him. In the video I posted above, the brakes weren't holding and he wasn't leaving very hard. The brakes in these cars are horrible. When I raced the Mustang, after 2 or 3 100+ mph stops, ours were smoked. The rotors were blue and the pedal went to the floor. The next time I tried to leave on boost, it would barely build any.

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That slip has gotta be a little off... I can't see that tank going from 85 to 110 on the back half of the track. Should be more like a 106 trap with that 1/8th mile. My GTO went 89 in the 1/8th when I was stock and only trapped 111. No way is an SHO crankin out that hard back half.
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Originally Posted by Ju1ce
That slip has gotta be a little off... I can't see that tank going from 85 to 110 on the back half of the track. Should be more like a 106 trap with that 1/8th mile. My GTO went 89 in the 1/8th when I was stock and only trapped 111. No way is an SHO crankin out that hard back half.
Turbo cars typically pull hard in the second half of the track.

Our Escalade was 6,055 lbs. It went 87.20 mph in the 1/8th and 107 mph in the 1/4 and I even pedaled, because it torque steered towards the wall at the beginning.

The slip can be seen at the end of the video

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCPbdlLijyM]

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Originally Posted by LivernoisMotorsports
In reply to the earlier post about the looks, I wasn't sold on the looks stock, but we lowered ours, added Perma-chrome wheels, and dark, dark tint all around and it improved the looks dramatically IMO.





-Rick
I've gotta agree after seeing your pics, that car looks very sharp!
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Originally Posted by LivernoisMotorsports
Turbo cars typically pull hard in the second half of the track.

Our Escalade was 6,055 lbs. It went 87.20 mph in the 1/8th and 107 mph in the 1/4 and I even pedaled, because it torque steered towards the wall at the beginning.


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exactly......mine went 82in the 1/8 and pulled a 105 at the 1/4.


i love the SHO and Flex.
wish i could trade up for one
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I think I've said this before but holy hell! What is done to the G8 at the end of the vid. It sounds
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Originally Posted by hugger1975
exactly......mine went 82in the 1/8 and pulled a 105 at the 1/4.


i love the SHO and Flex.
wish i could trade up for one
Our former turbo Mustang went 180 in the 1/8th and 225 inthe 1/4 mile


Originally Posted by marc97taws6
I think I've said this before but holy hell! What is done to the G8 at the end of the vid. It sounds
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