5.0 vs 5.0
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but serious question here guy's...so if i went with a turbo making the same PSI as my procharger does now..you saying i WILL pick up 15-20% HP ??...that somewhat seems worth switching over..but if i end up getting a measly 10 more RWHP out of the whole deal..i will be pissed lol...i mean free hp is free hp..but a small pick up in HP is'nt gona be worth the pain and aggrivation of selling my current S/C kit..finding a suitable streetable Turbo kit ..istalling it and redynoing and all that what not stuff...the gain will need to be SIGNIFIGANT!! for me to actually go throgh with it
a single will also. twins have the advantage in efficiency IF the single is not matched well. if a big single lb/min matches the motor, they are the same. now is its a 570 inch big block or a small inch 2300hp mill, it need twins to get enough flow.
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to answer your quesion there..GM has a 500+hp LS7 naturally aspirated..to the best of my knowledge Ford has made (i beleive) 444hp with the 5.0 in the new Boss ...cubic inches aside ..Ford has no 500+hp N/A engine ...only 550 5.4 L SUEPRCHARGED engines..i DO believe Ford IS good at making decent HP with less displacement..but alot of times that can hinder overall performace gains once modding has been done..what i'm getting at is take both new engines..the LS3 and the Coyote 5.0..cam them, boost them, exhaust ect...there should be a signifigant HP diffrence between the 2...it's less about GM vs Ford and more about physics here
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to answer your quesion there..GM has a 500+hp LS7 naturally aspirated..to the best of my knowledge Ford has made (i beleive) 444hp with the 5.0 in the new Boss ...cubic inches aside ..Ford has no 500+hp N/A engine ...only 550 5.4 L SUEPRCHARGED engines..i DO believe Ford IS good at making decent HP with less displacement..but alot of times that can hinder overall performace gains once modding has been done..what i'm getting at is take both new engines..the LS3 and the Coyote 5.0..cam them, boost them, exhaust ect...there should be a signifigant HP diffrence between the 2...it's less about GM vs Ford and more about physics here
Ford has a n/a engine that makes over 500hp..
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=11831
and another
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=11892
and one that makes over 600hp
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=10355
Also so far the SC 5.0 are killing the SC SS at the track.
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to answer your quesion there..GM has a 500+hp LS7 naturally aspirated..to the best of my knowledge Ford has made (i beleive) 444hp with the 5.0 in the new Boss ...cubic inches aside ..Ford has no 500+hp N/A engine ...only 550 5.4 L SUEPRCHARGED engines..i DO believe Ford IS good at making decent HP with less displacement..but alot of times that can hinder overall performace gains once modding has been done..what i'm getting at is take both new engines..the LS3 and the Coyote 5.0..cam them, boost them, exhaust ect...there should be a signifigant HP diffrence between the 2...it's less about GM vs Ford and more about physics here
I was being sarcastic and was showing how much of a ricer statement it was...who knew that you would be all over it
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to answer your quesion there..GM has a 500+hp LS7 naturally aspirated..to the best of my knowledge Ford has made (i beleive) 444hp with the 5.0 in the new Boss ...cubic inches aside ..Ford has no 500+hp N/A engine ...only 550 5.4 L SUEPRCHARGED engines..i DO believe Ford IS good at making decent HP with less displacement..but alot of times that can hinder overall performace gains once modding has been done..what i'm getting at is take both new engines..the LS3 and the Coyote 5.0..cam them, boost them, exhaust ect...there should be a signifigant HP diffrence between the 2...it's less about GM vs Ford and more about physics here
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GM has a 550hp supercharger 6.2L in the CTS-V and the new ZL1???
Ford has a n/a engine that makes over 500hp..
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=11831
and another
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=11892
and one that makes over 600hp
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=10355
Also so far the SC 5.0 are killing the SC SS at the track.
Ford has a n/a engine that makes over 500hp..
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=11831
and another
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=11892
and one that makes over 600hp
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=10355
Also so far the SC 5.0 are killing the SC SS at the track.
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gm's new lsx 454 race engine (they have a version now rated at 720+) makes more power than the 572r. But why does anyone bring up that old bigblock crap...... Is that all you have to grasp for in the n/a world ford fanboys? Someone on here just put the street 454lsx in a holden in aus. It made like 613rwhp......not bad and have a warrenty.
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gm's new lsx 454 race engine (they have a version now rated at 720+) makes more power than the 572r. But why does anyone bring up that old bigblock crap...... Is that all you have to grasp for in the n/a world ford fanboys? Someone on here just put the street 454lsx in a holden in aus. It made like 613rwhp......not bad and have a warrenty.
I'm sure there's no warranty on Fords 535hp 427W either. Too bad for Ford, it doesn't come with excellent cylinder heads either(compared to others available on the market), which could bump the power by another 30-50 with little difficulty. Does Ford still offer a 600ci bigblock? I don't think so. Maybe they never did and guys like John Kaase did all that instead. Their 521ci version is around 600hp, but to me, that's a waste of money.
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I a lil bit of a fan boy honestly, but i do give respect to other brands when it's due..Ford has done good **** in the automotive and performce world..the new 5.0 is a more impressive engine from the factory than my LS1 (putting aside i can make more RWHP with a simple cam swap than a 5.0 LOL.
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P/N 19257880...? Why isn't that pictured on their website, I wonder. By the way, it's rated at 750+hp and 680+tq and it does not come with a warranty. Nor does the ZZ572R(or other R engines I've seen listed).
I'm sure there's no warranty on Fords 535hp 427W either. Too bad for Ford, it doesn't come with excellent cylinder heads either(compared to others available on the market), which could bump the power by another 30-50 with little difficulty. Does Ford still offer a 600ci bigblock? I don't think so. Maybe they never did and guys like John Kaase did all that instead. Their 521ci version is around 600hp, but to me, that's a waste of money.
I'm sure there's no warranty on Fords 535hp 427W either. Too bad for Ford, it doesn't come with excellent cylinder heads either(compared to others available on the market), which could bump the power by another 30-50 with little difficulty. Does Ford still offer a 600ci bigblock? I don't think so. Maybe they never did and guys like John Kaase did all that instead. Their 521ci version is around 600hp, but to me, that's a waste of money.
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Seriously? A cam swap, without additional parts, is going to net you 40+rwhp? Wish that had that chit when the LS1 was in production!
Not like it would matter, of course... You'd fight traction loss forever... Still, a 375+rwhp 4th gen with only 1 mod which isn't nitrous or forced induction... Stellar.
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just thought i would give you guys a good laugh real quick..my user name is Ilovechevy1 for more reasons than just my my car preference...my 3 year olds son name IS Chevy( yes actaully Chevy on his borth certificate)..no **** God's honest truth there lol
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Seriously? A cam swap, without additional parts, is going to net you 40+rwhp? Wish that had that chit when the LS1 was in production!
Not like it would matter, of course... You'd fight traction loss forever... Still, a 375+rwhp 4th gen with only 1 mod which isn't nitrous or forced induction... Stellar.
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And guys are making over 500whp and over 600whp with one bolt on in their 5.0's. Along with that running the times they should at the track with them unlike the new Camaro's.
The issue of ford not making a engine N/A was brought up by Ilovechey1. I should they do make engines that produce hp N/A.
The LS engines are strong engines no one doubts that. But Ford is putting out same power as them with less. Just as impressive. We can go back forth all day with excuses of well you have 4 cams or you have 1.2L's more. It all works. Its pick your poison and go with it. Both have issues in areas. I know a guy with a LS3 engine vette that is on his third engine block now. They just are not handling the power he wants. His last setup made over 700whp/850wtq.
The issue of ford not making a engine N/A was brought up by Ilovechey1. I should they do make engines that produce hp N/A.
The LS engines are strong engines no one doubts that. But Ford is putting out same power as them with less. Just as impressive. We can go back forth all day with excuses of well you have 4 cams or you have 1.2L's more. It all works. Its pick your poison and go with it. Both have issues in areas. I know a guy with a LS3 engine vette that is on his third engine block now. They just are not handling the power he wants. His last setup made over 700whp/850wtq.
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Supposedly (from what I've read on the interweb) the #8 piston problem was from a tune that turned down the knock sensors. Also supposedly; 1 place came up with that tune and several others copied it.
I have no clue if that is true or not; just what I read on another message board.
I have no clue if that is true or not; just what I read on another message board.