T.Man

Sticks n Stones

I've ran dozens of fbody LS1's in my car all throughout it's modifying stages. And I've run at least a dozen GTO's: 04 and 05/06 models. M6 and A4 cars. I've got 18 phone numbers in my phone split bout equally between Fbody and GTO guys and we meet up regularly to screw around. It's not guess work what I say, it's cold hard fact.

btw: A4 versus M6 GTO's, as long as the auto isn't in one of its numerous dead spots the M6 isn't pulling on it, period. I've burst that bubble too many times to count....

BlkMach1

I'm thinking the trans am was an auto and in a dead spot, I just don't see one ls1 pulling that much on another otherwise. The ls1 goats are nice cars from a role but holy crap do they suck at the track, at least the ones near me, my buddy can't get his to launch to save his live. His best is 14.5 on the 1/4 and like 10.2 in the 1/8th. I'm trying to get him to buy some spare rims with slicks and get some suspension to see what the car can really do but he wont bite.

PBMGTO

Im getting to worked up over this thread u guys r killng me here...smh I'd like to run another 1 just to get a feel to them...lmao ne bolt on fbodies in the se texas area hit me up.. Im sure he prob had lower gears plus he was an auto and" stock" trans am's are sweet *** rides if I happen to run into 1 again I'll post the outcome

nmbr5ml

Your time slips prove exactly what they said above. Headers and a tune and you're running low 13s at the track. All else being equal a decent running/driven F-body will break into the 12s with those mods. Of course that makes sense, because it has the same motor in a lighter platform.

The 40 roll against a stock A4 is very believable. Horrible dead spot for a stock A4 F-body. I'm sure there are stock pickup trucks that will pull an early lead on a stock A4 from 40. Words can not describe how disappointing it is to run someone from 40 in a stock A4 F-body!

Sticks n Stones

Have a friend with a 99 FRC vette with full boltons/ 243 heads/ gears. When I was full boltons/ stock stall we did numerous pulls from all speeds. We were dead even with a slight edge to him over 75-80mph. Talking dig's, 20mph rolls, 30, 40, 50, and 60mph rolls. Dead even for all those EXCEPT the 40mph roll where he slaughtered me, don't remember exactly but I believe it was 4-5 cars before I finally stopped his pull. Ouch.

As far as the guy saying his buddies GTO needs slicks, it just needs a driver and maybe some decent tires <not $75 Pep Boys specials>. 1.9 to 2.0 60' times are very doable on even stock tires IF you can launch and the track prep is decent. Did plenty of 1.9 in my car on stock stall/boltons with it bogging cuz of the stock stall. Here's my best bolton/stock stall 1/4 mile time (in 3,000' DA):

FlatBlackZ28

Someone is a little overconfident. 13.24 with a 2.0 sixty is not exactly lighting the world on fire.

85mustang351

I could see it happening. if he caught the ws6 in his dead spot with full exaust and a tune being a 6 speed car. Maybe it took a second to downshift and he shut down before they got rolling good. Yeah it could happen. What are u trappin in the 1/4? That would be a little more indicative of what would happen in a roll race.

85mustang351

BlkMach1

he's got pilot sports 2, which I dont consider pep boy special tires. I've gone to the track plenty and I've yet to see a car on stock suspension and street tires that isn't awd pull a sub 2.0 60ft. Maybe the auto cars are a little easier to launch, maybe the prep is a little better up north, all im saying is that it seems like a really difficult car to launch. He's a decent driver, not the best but definitely not the worst.

PBMGTO

overconfident I was just stating what I run...I usually trap 106 best of 107mph I have most of my slips sitting in my car..either way theyre both ls1's I agree I think the a4 hurt him from a roll..blkmach as far as launching takes practice to get it down and find that sweet spot..on street tires I pull around the water light em up a bit and launch about 3k easing the clutch out b4 I stomp it..my problem is getting second to catch along with 3rd & 4th..lol seconds the worst actually when power shifting third n forth just chirp..drags coming soon along with cam kit n maybe a fast 90/90 setuo..then I'd prob be a lil overconfident

PBMGTO

some of you peeps act like ls1 fbodies r so godly and unbeatable...yeah they been proven to hit high 12's stock but do a search on dragtimes.com. 90% of the runs r in 50° weather with good d/a conditions. Like stated I run 13.2 it was about 84° out with shitty d/a. Im sure that time can improve to many haters here... face it your precious ls1 ta got beat..u lose some u win some..

85mustang351

I have no dog in the fight just curious what ur mph was? stock ls1 a4 usually 103-106. depending on what urs is in a roll race i dont see what it isnt possible.

s346k

iTrader: (4)

come up here, i can find 3 cars without headers (mine being one of which) that would gladly and easily "prove otherwise".

and you're right, you win some you lose some. the cars are what they are, really no doing of ours other than driving it. i got a lid/muffler m6 ws6 that trapped 111 in 2500' da. completely stock other than those 2 mods and eibach sportlines. the ls1 fbod i had before that wouldn't fall out of a damn tree. it went 103 with a lid and 373s. granted, after doing bolt-ons and a stall it dropped to low 12s, it was still nothing someone else couldn't have done.

PBMGTO

Heres my point...both cars have the same motor, 1 car weighs 300 more lbs(GTO) Ive already shaved 100..His trans am was a stock a4 my GTO bolt on, free mod, tuned m6..ofcourse Im gonna murder him its as simple as that..retards

85mustang351

I dont get why this story is so damn hard to believe

PBMGTO

hahaha seriously its not rocket science...what??? a stock a4 trans am is magically gonna beat a car with the same engine bolt ons tune m6... lmao do I need to mention that the GTO has a Z06 M112 tranny with better gearing than a mn6 again...THE SAME ENGINE PEOPLE 1 stock 1 not ITS SIMPLE!! and as far as your lt1 it can kiss my GTO's ur bolt on lt 1 prob makes 270 to the wheels ls1 gto 330-350 easy I'd love to hand that lt1 his *** jus saying...

PBMGTO

I dont care what half these tards think they know its simple FACTS!! case closed on to the next thread... friend request welcome...

2v-in-12's

IT"S "LOSING".....ok better now.

Average Joe

I have an auto LS1, and would be willing to throw quite a bit of cash on the line to show you that LS1 F-body cars would almost ALWAYS suck the headlights out of your suppository shaped GTO.

P.S. I'm just bolt ons...