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08-07-2011, 02:40 AM
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08-07-2011, 02:50 AM
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Hot engine is more prone to detonation.. cooler engine allows more aggressive tune which in return make more power.
A 160 doesnt fully open until 175.
There are more pros than cons. And even the cons stated aren't enough to actually harm a motor, not even a little.
Why does gm install them and not 160s? Emissions.
You can buy one for less than 20$, its basically a free mod.
A 160 doesnt fully open until 175.
There are more pros than cons. And even the cons stated aren't enough to actually harm a motor, not even a little.
Why does gm install them and not 160s? Emissions.
You can buy one for less than 20$, its basically a free mod.
08-07-2011, 06:03 PM
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Just thought I would share the findings that BlackDemonSS found and posted on another thread. This write up supports my argument.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/1557142528-post8.html
And this further detailed write up further supports my argument AGAINST the 160* stat.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/1554901004-post64.html
Hope we can settle this 160* stat bullshit once and for all.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/1557142528-post8.html
And this further detailed write up further supports my argument AGAINST the 160* stat.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/1554901004-post64.html
Hope we can settle this 160* stat bullshit once and for all.
08-07-2011, 07:25 PM
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I can see a 160 stat helping in a hot humid state where it stays like that all year round. Here in CT you'd be asking for trouble though. 185 is about the lowest I'd go here. But as long as an engine is tuned for the stat your running I don't see why it would be a problem. I think if you can get your engine to run right around 180-190* it'd be perfect.
08-07-2011, 08:01 PM
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i think a 160 tstat is fine, as long as the engine is moderated somewhere between 180-210.
the hot factory engine temps are primarily for emissions, as well as the air/egr setups on these cars. they obviously function just fine without all of the above as it came in factory spec.
the tstat itself isn't in question, it is where do you want the car to operate? i already stated my opinion. 2* of timing isn't going to make or break a car. my stock **** traps more than half of these bolt-on cars do.
edit: also you need an engine hot enough to keep the oil clean. i don't know that a static coolant temp sub 190* will do this.
the hot factory engine temps are primarily for emissions, as well as the air/egr setups on these cars. they obviously function just fine without all of the above as it came in factory spec.
the tstat itself isn't in question, it is where do you want the car to operate? i already stated my opinion. 2* of timing isn't going to make or break a car. my stock **** traps more than half of these bolt-on cars do.
edit: also you need an engine hot enough to keep the oil clean. i don't know that a static coolant temp sub 190* will do this.
08-07-2011, 09:09 PM
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A cam will beat the **** out of your valve train.
Shifting at 6400 pisses your rod bolts off.
Your ten bolt cries if you put 373s+ in it and launch harder than a soccer mom in her mini van with street tires on.
A converter makes your trans feel like its in Africa in the summer time.
You have to sacrifice a little sometimes. Are you against all those things all well?
Argue all day long that over 300k miles it might harm the engine, ill agree to an extent. Talk normal engine span that a motor lasts or people own an ls1 (10k-150k) and ill just stop posting about it and you can do what you want and ill do what I want.
The 60 opens at 170-175. My car stay between 180-190. You think 15 degrees is going to detroy my motor tomorrow. If it takes 1k miles off my motor and gives me 2hp, I'm fine with that.
Shifting at 6400 pisses your rod bolts off.
Your ten bolt cries if you put 373s+ in it and launch harder than a soccer mom in her mini van with street tires on.
A converter makes your trans feel like its in Africa in the summer time.
You have to sacrifice a little sometimes. Are you against all those things all well?
Argue all day long that over 300k miles it might harm the engine, ill agree to an extent. Talk normal engine span that a motor lasts or people own an ls1 (10k-150k) and ill just stop posting about it and you can do what you want and ill do what I want.
The 60 opens at 170-175. My car stay between 180-190. You think 15 degrees is going to detroy my motor tomorrow. If it takes 1k miles off my motor and gives me 2hp, I'm fine with that.
08-07-2011, 09:32 PM
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As was stated in that write up, it's not a question of IF it will harm your engine, but WHEN. Could be 100K miles from now, could be 10K miles from now. I'd rather save the $20 and use it for gas, or beer & pizza.
08-07-2011, 10:16 PM
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I never stated it wouldn't, I said it wouldn't within a time i would give a **** about.
There is no winning here, I'm done.
08-07-2011, 11:21 PM
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It will not harm your engine in a mere 10k miles. If you think so, never ever mod your car. Actually you should consider a different hobby. Mod and **** breaks, its inevitable.
I never stated it wouldn't, I said it wouldn't within a time i would give a **** about.
There is no winning here, I'm done.
I never stated it wouldn't, I said it wouldn't within a time i would give a **** about.
There is no winning here, I'm done.
08-08-2011, 12:30 AM
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You read the write up on it being too cool for an engine, and that still doesn't deter you? Still, it's a waste of money, will give you no gains in performance. Your money though, throw it away as you please.
08-08-2011, 12:31 AM
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It will not harm your engine in a mere 10k miles. If you think so, never ever mod your car. Actually you should consider a different hobby. Mod and **** breaks, its inevitable.
I never stated it wouldn't, I said it wouldn't within a time i would give a **** about.
There is no winning here, I'm done.
I never stated it wouldn't, I said it wouldn't within a time i would give a **** about.
There is no winning here, I'm done.
08-08-2011, 12:39 AM
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show me atleast 5 motors that it is responsible for blowing if it harms the engines so much? it does MOST of the time allow u to add a bit more timing ie slightly more power usually.
theres a reason majority of shops/tuners recommend them....go back to ur stock camaro
theres a reason majority of shops/tuners recommend them....go back to ur stock camaro
08-08-2011, 12:42 AM
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http://forums.corvetteforum.com/1557142528-post8.html
You want to be further humbled? Read this.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/1554901004-post64.html
Don't talk **** if you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
And stock Camaro?It has two mods so far, not 100% stock anymore. At least I have a Camaro, wtf do you have?
08-08-2011, 12:47 AM
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u post something that one guy says and suddenly its the truth? okay....lol
and i have a tbss
keep thinking wat u want i dont care we obviously arent changing ur mind and u arent changing mine since i have no experienced any problems with them on mine or my dads car. and they both operate in that guys "sweet spot" around 180*....
and i have a tbss
keep thinking wat u want i dont care we obviously arent changing ur mind and u arent changing mine since i have no experienced any problems with them on mine or my dads car. and they both operate in that guys "sweet spot" around 180*....
08-08-2011, 12:52 AM
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I'm guessing a TBSS is a Trail Blazer SS? Lol, like that's something to brag about. My car would whoop the **** out your slow SUV, stock or with the two mods I have. Hell, I'd even throw that 160* stat on there just for our race, get an extra .2 HP and really smoke your ***.
08-08-2011, 01:17 AM
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L-O-L keep thinking that buddy....
but im not gonna get in an argument over the internet with someone over whos car is faster when its clear we are never gonna race or about a stupid t-stat so u believe wat u want about t-stats and i will do the same. im trying to be nice and not a jerk
but im not gonna get in an argument over the internet with someone over whos car is faster when its clear we are never gonna race or about a stupid t-stat so u believe wat u want about t-stats and i will do the same. im trying to be nice and not a jerk