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Old 10-06-2011, 07:18 PM
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So you have done all that to your engine and havent upgraded your tranny at all? I bet you won't have warranty on the next one going boom. Also you have been doing 6k drops on your engine since the day you bought it pretty much? You really should have let the motor break in a little bit. Im guessing your motor will be next to go lol
Put the Hateraid down and step away lol!
Old 10-06-2011, 07:23 PM
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Your right on the money with what its gonna weigh. And I wanted newer modern different set up ansd didnt want typical sbf. Has nothing to do with building an engine. I like seeing what I can dowith ford parts. no parts in a408 are gonna be ford if its a good 408
Old 10-06-2011, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 92cobranotch
Your right on the money with what its gonna weigh. And I wanted newer modern different set up ansd didnt want typical sbf. Has nothing to do with building an engine. I like seeing what I can dowith ford parts. no parts in a408 are gonna be ford if its a good 408
To be fair, the '03-'04 Cobra engine uses parts from aftermarket companies. They were just installed at the factory.
Old 10-06-2011, 08:37 PM
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I agree . Like the eaton isnt ford. But you get my drift. I could order a kb right now but wanna play with it close to factory form first. Not to mention the gas milage compared to a 408 or 427. It will be a daily driver
Old 10-06-2011, 08:41 PM
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Actually I meant the rods, pistons... Stuff in the engine.
Old 10-06-2011, 08:44 PM
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^ Jesus...the stupidity.
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Right manley rods etc.
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Yep how stupid because I bought one without knowing whats in it. Come on.
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So stop sign if money wasnt an object wich one would you do? 03 cobra or 408?
Old 10-06-2011, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ls2foryou
on a g8 or fifth gen camaro the litters are guaranteed to fail if you do large FI or a big cam guaranteed...................i have seen to many fail. I think ls7 litters or lsa ctsv lifters will cure that issue. I'm glad ford helped you out on the grand with a modded car.... my friends car is stone stock and he just called me to say it's leaking badly this morning.
I haven't heard of any lifter failure on a non DOD cam swap. The crappy stock lifters are completely replaced.
Old 10-06-2011, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by It'llrun
Perfectly acceptable, considering he has no idea how to build a race engine, that he get a "pre-done" version. He's not planning much for mods, obviously and it will handle the power he wants. The car won't, as it sits, but the engine will.

That said, for about the same money, maybe even less, he could've gotten a 408 and FLOPPED into the 10's with a decent build, while retaining street manners and not even using a power adder. The 351W block will handle plenty of power too, so that wouldn't be an issue.

He wanted "different and done" and anyone should be able to get that. Still, it's not necessarily the best choice ever... weighs too much. He's talking about having a light car, while retaining p/s and a/c... with a 2003/4 Cobra drivetrain underhood... He'll almost be LUCKY if the car doesn't exceed 3k on the scale.

I stand by my statement that he has no idea... He doesn't and you're not much better off as far as I can tell, notwithstanding anything your car has done... His is a different kind of car.
He understands it will weigh near 3100.

Your right I'm not much better......but there is a whole lot worse than me because I've managed to take a crate ls6 and out run alot of built ****. And if I can manage to keep the 10bolt together tomorrow you should see a 10.99 pass or faster tomorrow ......Try that with a ****** crate engine , 6m and a 10bt. Then come back and tell me what I don't know *****
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Originally Posted by kennyxg
Put the Hateraid down and step away lol!
I will kill you and your family
Old 10-06-2011, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 92cobranotch
So stop sign if money wasnt an object wich one would you do? 03 cobra or 408?
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Old 10-06-2011, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 92cobranotch
Your right on the money with what its gonna weigh. And I wanted newer modern different set up ansd didnt want typical sbf. Has nothing to do with building an engine. I like seeing what I can dowith ford parts. no parts in a408 are gonna be ford if its a good 408
What's so "typical" about a 408? Are there thousands of them at the ready? Most people who build such an engine choose their parts because they can. The aftermarket is wide open and one could build a high dollar or fairly budgeted 408. Results will vary accordingly.

I don't know, btw, what Stopsign would do if money isn't an object(not that this is his case, or yours)... but it hardly matters. This isn't his build. I've already done it both ways and prefer pushrod power for several reasons. That said, the Cobra engine is great, particularly for those never intending to exceed 700rwhp, which is most.

Originally Posted by HioSSilver
He understands it will weigh near 3100.

Your right I'm not much better......but there is a whole lot worse than me because I've managed to take a crate ls6 and out run alot of built ****. And if I can manage to keep the 10bolt together tomorrow you should see a 10.99 pass or faster tomorrow ......Try that with a ****** crate engine , 6m and a 10bt. Then come back and tell me what I don't know *****
According to you, your car is about 4-600 lb lighter than stock... One can do much better with a massive weight advantage. I don't do crate engines, so that's not an issue for me. You've got quite a bit more money into yours than most and probably more into the transmission alone than most F-body owners have in their total mods. It's a package thing and my only "problem" with what you're doing is that you try to trickle information or not give it at all, as if telling people the whole truth is going to hurt you personally. People may be curious, but it's not like anyone is going to be stealing your great info... The real racers don't care because they're already quicker or running dial in anyway.

With a race weight of about 3100 lb and a stock 03/4 Cobra driveline, he ain't seeing 10's(or 11.20's). Considering the weight will break largely over the front wheels, he's going to have traction concerns with anything short of GREAT tires. My bet would be, it's going to be a long time before he sees 10's at the rate he's going now.

The rear is almost guaranteed to break once he applies real power to it, for starters. Then there's the idea he won't have other issues based on his lack of quality control, to wit: No cage means big body twist in any unibody with power. He'll probably pop the torque boxes just as soon as he repairs the rear... It's a vicious cycle when power is applied and it becomes more of a job than a game. C-clip eliminators are REQUIRED at the level he's anticipating and not just because they're stronger.

Calling me a ***** isn't getting you anywhere... I already know and trust me that people have called you the same. I think your real problem with me is that you can't just pull the wool over my eyes... Believe this too... You're not pulling the wool over on many here, but most won't waste the time to screw with you like I will. You're not doing anything that nobody else has done, so get over yourself.

Good luck tomorrow... I hope you get into the 10's, except the part where it goes to your head... It's been done before, ya know...
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Originally Posted by Stopsign32v
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Hey! Pick one and ... Well, PICK ONE! We won't force you to build it!
Old 10-06-2011, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by It'llrun
Hey! Pick one and ... Well, PICK ONE! We won't force you to build it!
It would be a Dart based 9.5 block.
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You don't even know what it costs to do the t56....take a guess and include shipping and microniteing. I know exactly how much lighter my car is than what it was stock 380lb. I never "hid" anything. This is not the only part of the forum I post in. I have also pm with several guys asking me questions.


Here what your sig should say

"I like all woman over 300 lb"
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Originally Posted by Stopsign32v
It would be a Dart based 9.5 block.
Well is'nt that some ****....not even a ford.
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Isn't.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
You don't even know what it costs to do the t56....take a guess and include shipping and microniteing. I know exactly how much lighter my car is than what it was stock 380lb. I never "hid" anything. This is not the only part of the forum I post in. I have also pm with several guys asking me questions.


Here what your sig should say

"I like all woman over 300 lb"
I'm gonna say about $2,600


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