Second Degree Murder of an NSX
09-30-2011, 12:30 AM
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Not even this? Porsche 918
...if I only had a cool 900K burning a hole in my pocket.
Oh, and food for thought, given that this is LS1tech: LS1 NSX
...if I only had a cool 900K burning a hole in my pocket.
Oh, and food for thought, given that this is LS1tech: LS1 NSX
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The Acura could more than hold its own against many exotics when it came out. Even through the May 1992 Road And Track Test Summary, here is how it still stacked up:
CAR.......0-60mph........1/4 Mile
Acura NSX.....5.7sec.......14.0 sec...168mph top speed.
BMW M3.......7.1 sec......15.4 sec
BMW M5.......6.4 sec......15.0 sec
Camaro Z28.6.7 sec.......15.2 sec...140mph top speed.
Vette L98 ....6.2 sec...... 14.8 sec
Vette LT1.....5.7 sec.......14.1 sec....163mph top speed.
Ferrari 348tb.6.6sec........15.0 sec
Testarossa.. 6.2 sec........14.2 sec
Mondial.cab..6.6 sec........15.0 sec
Mustang LX..7.1 sec.........15.5 sec
Carrera 2....5.4 sec...........14.0sec
300ZX TT.....6.5sec..........15.0 sec
Supra Turbo.6.6sec...........15.2 sec
Remember, we are talking about performance 20yrs ago. The Acura was definitely an exotic back then. But to talk about racing one now...you are talking about a car with less HP than your average Acura TL/Infiniti G37/BMW 335i four door family sedan!
CAR.......0-60mph........1/4 Mile
Acura NSX.....5.7sec.......14.0 sec...168mph top speed.
BMW M3.......7.1 sec......15.4 sec
BMW M5.......6.4 sec......15.0 sec
Camaro Z28.6.7 sec.......15.2 sec...140mph top speed.
Vette L98 ....6.2 sec...... 14.8 sec
Vette LT1.....5.7 sec.......14.1 sec....163mph top speed.
Ferrari 348tb.6.6sec........15.0 sec
Testarossa.. 6.2 sec........14.2 sec
Mondial.cab..6.6 sec........15.0 sec
Mustang LX..7.1 sec.........15.5 sec
Carrera 2....5.4 sec...........14.0sec
300ZX TT.....6.5sec..........15.0 sec
Supra Turbo.6.6sec...........15.2 sec
Remember, we are talking about performance 20yrs ago. The Acura was definitely an exotic back then. But to talk about racing one now...you are talking about a car with less HP than your average Acura TL/Infiniti G37/BMW 335i four door family sedan!
09-30-2011, 01:35 AM
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Yes, they ARE defined by there power. Or more accurately, there power and handling put into a very exotic looking body and sold in limited numbers. But without the power equation, what are you left with? A Lotus with a Acura emblem on it?
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Absolutely. While the car definitely could have used a major update late in life, it doesn't make it less of a great car. I doubt Honda had any plans to make it that long. Hell, the S2000 was supposed to be a one year car.
09-30-2011, 01:42 AM
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You're acting like it was a slow car. Starting in '97 it ran basically dead even in a straight line with a Corvette, and decimated it in handling. It was slower than the ZR1 in a straight line before that, but around a track it went toe to toe with the best. And exotics' performance is judged by how it performs around a track with turns. The NSX was the CBR600 of the sports car world.
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Yeah, **** the Ferrari 348, 355, and the Testarossa. And the Lamborghini Countach. And the Lotus Espirit Turbo. And the 911 Turbo. I swear man, you say some retarded stuff sometimes.
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So my point is it is a much more badass car than any you mentioned. And still compets with exotics of today! I'm sorry, but if the power isn't there it is not an exotic car to me. It's an overpriced good looking car with **** power.
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You have to remember the NSX came out over 20 yrs ago, and marched on with hardly any updates from the original model.
Some interesting info from Wikipedia on the NSX:
Regarding the Mclaren F1:
"Honda's breakthrough engineering in the NSX was a major contributor to the design of the McLaren F1 as mentioned in an interview with McLaren F1 designer Gordon Murray (translated from original Japanese into English).[22] "The moment I drove the NSX, all the benchmark cars—Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini—I had been using as references in the development of my car vanished from my mind. Of course the car we would create, the McLaren F1, needed to be faster than the NSX, but the NSX's ride quality and handling would become our new design target." The NSX was marketed as the first "Everyday Supercar" thanks in part to its ease of use, quality and reliability. Murray himself remained an NSX owner for 7 years."
Some innovative technology:
"The Japanese car maker's race track innovations and competitive history were further exemplified on the road by the NSX's ultra-rigid, ultra-light all aluminium monocoque chassis and front and rear double wishbone suspension, with forged control arms connected to forged alloy wheels. The car additionally boasted the world's first production car engine with titanium connecting rods, forged pistons, and ultra high-revving capabilities — the redline was at a lofty 8,000 rpm - all traits usually associated with track and race engineered motor cars. The NSX exterior had a dedicated 23-step paint process, including an aircraft type chromate coating designed for chemically protecting the aluminium bodywork and a waterborne paint for the base coat to achieve a clearer, more vivid top color and a smoother surface finish."
As fast as a Ferrari 360 Stradale around the Nurbering, despite being down by 100hp:
"The 3.2L DOHC V6 engine received special attention as well. Each NSX-R engine was hand assembled by a skilled technician using techniques normally reserved for racing programs. Components of the rotating assembly (pistons, rods and crank) were precision weighed and matched so that all components fell within a very small tolerance of weight differential. Then, the entire rotating assembly was balanced to a level of accuracy ten times that of a typical NSX engine. This balancing and blueprinting process significantly reduced parasitic loss of power due to inertial imbalance, resulting in a more powerful, free-revving powerplant with excellent throttle response. Officially, Honda maintains that the power output of the Second-Gen NSX-R engine is 290 bhp (220 kW), which is identical to the stock NSX. The automotive press, however, has long speculated that the true output of the engine is higher.
The result of Honda's second NSX-R effort was a vehicle that could challenge the latest sports car models on the track, despite having a base design that was more than 15 years old. For example, noted Japanese race and test driver Motoharu Kurosawa piloted a 2003 NSX-R around the legendary Nurburgring road course in 7:56, a time equal to a Ferrari F360 Challenge Stradale.[13] The NSX-R accomplished this feat despite being out-powered by the Ferrari by over 100 bhp (75 kW)."
For the uneducated, this is just another Honda. I just researched this information tonight, and can't help but have newfound respect for the NSX.
Clearly, this car has a lot more to it than straight line speed, and is legendary in the realm of automotive history...Owned by automotive legends who could drive any car they desire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_NSX
Some interesting info from Wikipedia on the NSX:
Regarding the Mclaren F1:
"Honda's breakthrough engineering in the NSX was a major contributor to the design of the McLaren F1 as mentioned in an interview with McLaren F1 designer Gordon Murray (translated from original Japanese into English).[22] "The moment I drove the NSX, all the benchmark cars—Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini—I had been using as references in the development of my car vanished from my mind. Of course the car we would create, the McLaren F1, needed to be faster than the NSX, but the NSX's ride quality and handling would become our new design target." The NSX was marketed as the first "Everyday Supercar" thanks in part to its ease of use, quality and reliability. Murray himself remained an NSX owner for 7 years."
Some innovative technology:
"The Japanese car maker's race track innovations and competitive history were further exemplified on the road by the NSX's ultra-rigid, ultra-light all aluminium monocoque chassis and front and rear double wishbone suspension, with forged control arms connected to forged alloy wheels. The car additionally boasted the world's first production car engine with titanium connecting rods, forged pistons, and ultra high-revving capabilities — the redline was at a lofty 8,000 rpm - all traits usually associated with track and race engineered motor cars. The NSX exterior had a dedicated 23-step paint process, including an aircraft type chromate coating designed for chemically protecting the aluminium bodywork and a waterborne paint for the base coat to achieve a clearer, more vivid top color and a smoother surface finish."
As fast as a Ferrari 360 Stradale around the Nurbering, despite being down by 100hp:
"The 3.2L DOHC V6 engine received special attention as well. Each NSX-R engine was hand assembled by a skilled technician using techniques normally reserved for racing programs. Components of the rotating assembly (pistons, rods and crank) were precision weighed and matched so that all components fell within a very small tolerance of weight differential. Then, the entire rotating assembly was balanced to a level of accuracy ten times that of a typical NSX engine. This balancing and blueprinting process significantly reduced parasitic loss of power due to inertial imbalance, resulting in a more powerful, free-revving powerplant with excellent throttle response. Officially, Honda maintains that the power output of the Second-Gen NSX-R engine is 290 bhp (220 kW), which is identical to the stock NSX. The automotive press, however, has long speculated that the true output of the engine is higher.
The result of Honda's second NSX-R effort was a vehicle that could challenge the latest sports car models on the track, despite having a base design that was more than 15 years old. For example, noted Japanese race and test driver Motoharu Kurosawa piloted a 2003 NSX-R around the legendary Nurburgring road course in 7:56, a time equal to a Ferrari F360 Challenge Stradale.[13] The NSX-R accomplished this feat despite being out-powered by the Ferrari by over 100 bhp (75 kW)."
For the uneducated, this is just another Honda. I just researched this information tonight, and can't help but have newfound respect for the NSX.
Clearly, this car has a lot more to it than straight line speed, and is legendary in the realm of automotive history...Owned by automotive legends who could drive any car they desire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_NSX
09-30-2011, 04:09 AM
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Actually the 91 nsx's were 50k but all sold for 100k. They sold so well that the 92s base price was 60k. By 95 they were in the 70s. Honda made a hell of a lot of money off a car they origionally planned to sell for 50k.. Probally why they never changed anything.
With the porshe argument. To me you got 15 models rangeing from 50k boxers to 400k gt's. Thing is they all look basically the same much like a 45k 2005 ls2 c6 and a 120k 2012 zr1.
Nsx is simply the nsx is simply the nsx.
For performance a 91 nsx ran a 13.8 around 103 mph. Compare that go the zr1s 13.3 or vipers 12.9 and it was a damn fast car.
As far as only italions being exotic. Well to me a nsx and viper is bottom of the barrel entry level exotic and a f430 or gallardo blows them away. But then again a ford gt isnt italion but is much rarer than the gallardo and 430. It also is more visually stunning to me than either wich is subjective. However whats not subjective is the fact that a salvage title rebuild 05 fgt is worth more money than a clean title 05 gallardo. And a clean title fgt is worth more than a clean f430.
Not italion at all. But **** its doors even open the right way compared to the entry level italions.
This ***** so funny. What if your boys told you an exotic dancer was comin over. But when she showed up she was a hot *** white chick from florida. Would she just be a superfine stripper instead of exotic?
Now put that same stripper over in Iraq to dance for the newest 16 year old prince of oil. She an exotic dancer now?
With the porshe argument. To me you got 15 models rangeing from 50k boxers to 400k gt's. Thing is they all look basically the same much like a 45k 2005 ls2 c6 and a 120k 2012 zr1.
Nsx is simply the nsx is simply the nsx.
For performance a 91 nsx ran a 13.8 around 103 mph. Compare that go the zr1s 13.3 or vipers 12.9 and it was a damn fast car.
As far as only italions being exotic. Well to me a nsx and viper is bottom of the barrel entry level exotic and a f430 or gallardo blows them away. But then again a ford gt isnt italion but is much rarer than the gallardo and 430. It also is more visually stunning to me than either wich is subjective. However whats not subjective is the fact that a salvage title rebuild 05 fgt is worth more money than a clean title 05 gallardo. And a clean title fgt is worth more than a clean f430.
Not italion at all. But **** its doors even open the right way compared to the entry level italions.
This ***** so funny. What if your boys told you an exotic dancer was comin over. But when she showed up she was a hot *** white chick from florida. Would she just be a superfine stripper instead of exotic?
Now put that same stripper over in Iraq to dance for the newest 16 year old prince of oil. She an exotic dancer now?
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You have to remember the NSX came out over 20 yrs ago, and marched on with hardly any updates from the original model.
Some interesting info from Wikipedia on the NSX:
Regarding the Mclaren F1:
"Honda's breakthrough engineering in the NSX was a major contributor to the design of the McLaren F1 as mentioned in an interview with McLaren F1 designer Gordon Murray (translated from original Japanese into English).[22] "The moment I drove the NSX, all the benchmark cars—Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini—I had been using as references in the development of my car vanished from my mind. Of course the car we would create, the McLaren F1, needed to be faster than the NSX, but the NSX's ride quality and handling would become our new design target." The NSX was marketed as the first "Everyday Supercar" thanks in part to its ease of use, quality and reliability. Murray himself remained an NSX owner for 7 years."
Some innovative technology:
"The Japanese car maker's race track innovations and competitive history were further exemplified on the road by the NSX's ultra-rigid, ultra-light all aluminium monocoque chassis and front and rear double wishbone suspension, with forged control arms connected to forged alloy wheels. The car additionally boasted the world's first production car engine with titanium connecting rods, forged pistons, and ultra high-revving capabilities — the redline was at a lofty 8,000 rpm - all traits usually associated with track and race engineered motor cars. The NSX exterior had a dedicated 23-step paint process, including an aircraft type chromate coating designed for chemically protecting the aluminium bodywork and a waterborne paint for the base coat to achieve a clearer, more vivid top color and a smoother surface finish."
As fast as a Ferrari 360 Stradale around the Nurbering, despite being down by 100hp:
"The 3.2L DOHC V6 engine received special attention as well. Each NSX-R engine was hand assembled by a skilled technician using techniques normally reserved for racing programs. Components of the rotating assembly (pistons, rods and crank) were precision weighed and matched so that all components fell within a very small tolerance of weight differential. Then, the entire rotating assembly was balanced to a level of accuracy ten times that of a typical NSX engine. This balancing and blueprinting process significantly reduced parasitic loss of power due to inertial imbalance, resulting in a more powerful, free-revving powerplant with excellent throttle response. Officially, Honda maintains that the power output of the Second-Gen NSX-R engine is 290 bhp (220 kW), which is identical to the stock NSX. The automotive press, however, has long speculated that the true output of the engine is higher.
The result of Honda's second NSX-R effort was a vehicle that could challenge the latest sports car models on the track, despite having a base design that was more than 15 years old. For example, noted Japanese race and test driver Motoharu Kurosawa piloted a 2003 NSX-R around the legendary Nurburgring road course in 7:56, a time equal to a Ferrari F360 Challenge Stradale.[13] The NSX-R accomplished this feat despite being out-powered by the Ferrari by over 100 bhp (75 kW)."
For the uneducated, this is just another Honda. I just researched this information tonight, and can't help but have newfound respect for the NSX.
Clearly, this car has a lot more to it than straight line speed, and is legendary in the realm of automotive history...Owned by automotive legends who could drive any car they desire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_NSX
Some interesting info from Wikipedia on the NSX:
Regarding the Mclaren F1:
"Honda's breakthrough engineering in the NSX was a major contributor to the design of the McLaren F1 as mentioned in an interview with McLaren F1 designer Gordon Murray (translated from original Japanese into English).[22] "The moment I drove the NSX, all the benchmark cars—Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini—I had been using as references in the development of my car vanished from my mind. Of course the car we would create, the McLaren F1, needed to be faster than the NSX, but the NSX's ride quality and handling would become our new design target." The NSX was marketed as the first "Everyday Supercar" thanks in part to its ease of use, quality and reliability. Murray himself remained an NSX owner for 7 years."
Some innovative technology:
"The Japanese car maker's race track innovations and competitive history were further exemplified on the road by the NSX's ultra-rigid, ultra-light all aluminium monocoque chassis and front and rear double wishbone suspension, with forged control arms connected to forged alloy wheels. The car additionally boasted the world's first production car engine with titanium connecting rods, forged pistons, and ultra high-revving capabilities — the redline was at a lofty 8,000 rpm - all traits usually associated with track and race engineered motor cars. The NSX exterior had a dedicated 23-step paint process, including an aircraft type chromate coating designed for chemically protecting the aluminium bodywork and a waterborne paint for the base coat to achieve a clearer, more vivid top color and a smoother surface finish."
As fast as a Ferrari 360 Stradale around the Nurbering, despite being down by 100hp:
"The 3.2L DOHC V6 engine received special attention as well. Each NSX-R engine was hand assembled by a skilled technician using techniques normally reserved for racing programs. Components of the rotating assembly (pistons, rods and crank) were precision weighed and matched so that all components fell within a very small tolerance of weight differential. Then, the entire rotating assembly was balanced to a level of accuracy ten times that of a typical NSX engine. This balancing and blueprinting process significantly reduced parasitic loss of power due to inertial imbalance, resulting in a more powerful, free-revving powerplant with excellent throttle response. Officially, Honda maintains that the power output of the Second-Gen NSX-R engine is 290 bhp (220 kW), which is identical to the stock NSX. The automotive press, however, has long speculated that the true output of the engine is higher.
The result of Honda's second NSX-R effort was a vehicle that could challenge the latest sports car models on the track, despite having a base design that was more than 15 years old. For example, noted Japanese race and test driver Motoharu Kurosawa piloted a 2003 NSX-R around the legendary Nurburgring road course in 7:56, a time equal to a Ferrari F360 Challenge Stradale.[13] The NSX-R accomplished this feat despite being out-powered by the Ferrari by over 100 bhp (75 kW)."
For the uneducated, this is just another Honda. I just researched this information tonight, and can't help but have newfound respect for the NSX.
Clearly, this car has a lot more to it than straight line speed, and is legendary in the realm of automotive history...Owned by automotive legends who could drive any car they desire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_NSX
Brilliant. Car has some serious history. How many cars were desighned from the ground up by a famous race car driver?
09-30-2011, 06:21 PM
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You're acting like it was a slow car. Starting in '97 it ran basically dead even in a straight line with a Corvette, and decimated it in handling. It was slower than the ZR1 in a straight line before that, but around a track it went toe to toe with the best. And exotics' performance is judged by how it performs around a track with turns. The NSX was the CBR600 of the sports car world.
What do you mean competes? lol it still ****** destroys the exotics of today, except for the big time super cars haha
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When the NSX was released, it was one of the fastest cars around a track that money could buy. But as everyone has said, it did fall down the ranks as time went on.
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that money could buy??? if youre going to say 80-90k is "fastest money could buy" then **** you might as well have bought a countach, or a 355, or a testerossa, theyre all fast around a track and Im sure they accept money as a payment... plus, theyre better looking, better sounding, better driving, and a better brand.
Im not saying the NSX wasnt innovative, but there are plenty more cars at that time that were doing MUCH better than the NSX without being pointlessly innovative like honda did with NSX. Honestly, so what, v-tec was introduced with that pos, now look what it caused... lol
I guess if it wasnt for the NSX we wouldnt have ricers these days?
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that money could buy??? if youre going to say 80-90k is "fastest money could buy" then **** you might as well have bought a countach, or a 355, or a testerossa, theyre all fast around a track and Im sure they accept money as a payment... plus, theyre better looking, better sounding, better driving, and a better brand.
Im not saying the NSX wasnt innovative, but there are plenty more cars at that time that were doing MUCH better than the NSX without being pointlessly innovative like honda did with NSX. Honestly, so what, v-tec was introduced with that pos, now look what it caused... lol
I guess if it wasnt for the NSX we wouldnt have ricers these days?
Im not saying the NSX wasnt innovative, but there are plenty more cars at that time that were doing MUCH better than the NSX without being pointlessly innovative like honda did with NSX. Honestly, so what, v-tec was introduced with that pos, now look what it caused... lol
I guess if it wasnt for the NSX we wouldnt have ricers these days?