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Old 03-16-2012 | 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ZYBORG
Bro... Brah... Come on brahh... Really? Do you really take me for a rookie? You might want to check out some of my footage. I been doing this **** for quite a bit. I know you wanna sit there an make it look like the 5.0 is the latest and greatest (hell, it is a great bargain and performer) but is not the end all be all.

Ill sure meet you, im at san antonio. But whats the point? Why are you trying to race and i/e c5z with a blown bolton 5.0? If you want to prove something i challenge you to find a 5.0 with my mods that beats me..... I mean after all i have only ran a 13.8 @ 93 at little river.... Lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cYA9...e_gdata_player
So you live in SA you should have no reason to not bring to track and run some bolt on 5.0's?
Old 03-17-2012 | 09:12 AM
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Most mid 11 sec bolt on 5.0s live one the forums from what I've seen. I will be hooking up with one Sunday at the track. Not saying they aren't around. But I don't think its the norm. There's always some people that get more out of a car than others. I'll post the 5.0s 1/8 times as well as mine tomorrow. I know when he was tuned, Cai and catback on drag radials he was running 8.0-8.1 in the 1/8.
Old 03-17-2012 | 10:06 AM
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wow why cant we all just get along? Zyborg has a good running C5Z. I agree some of the cars in his vid were weak for what they are. But thats not to take credit away from his wins. As far as the new 5.0s.. the biggest part about them, they need to be driven. Ive seen a few in person run into the 11s with minimal bolt on work. However that doesnt mean the driver will get it done in ALL 5.0s. Ive also seen ZR1s run in the 13s at 11X mph. If you cant drive, you wont run the times or mphs. It goes for every car. As far as me... im still waiting on some eaton cobras, bolt on C5 Z's and some motor worked f bodies to play with. Anyone near RI?
Old 03-17-2012 | 10:16 AM
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Some of you Mustang guys are really wrong if you think a new 5.0 stock to stock is even with a post 01 Z06. With the same exact mods the C5z is still ahead as well. I have tons of Video of me in 4 different ones going 12.3-12.1 116-117MPH at Cecil with nothing done at all. Put a tire on one and you are in the 11s. Of course the clutch will not last much longer and its a hideous job in terms of labor and cost. 5.0s run well and are an excellent improvement and by far a better straight line car than a new SS but saying they are faster than a c5Z is really stretching it.
Old 03-17-2012 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Morris
Some of you Mustang guys are really wrong if you think a new 5.0 stock to stock is even with a post 01 Z06. With the same exact mods the C5z is still ahead as well. I have tons of Video of me in 4 different ones going 12.3-12.1 116-117MPH at Cecil with nothing done at all. Put a tire on one and you are in the 11s. Of course the clutch will not last much longer and its a hideous job in terms of labor and cost. 5.0s run well and are an excellent improvement and by far a better straight line car than a new SS but saying they are faster than a c5Z is really stretching it.
not sure if you are referring to me or not but i never said they were. Above average runs from stock 5.0s with tires are trapping in the 113-114 range. Above average runs from c5 zs stock with tires are trapping 116-117. The only thing that tends to even the odds a bit, is the bolt on world. The 5.0 GTs respond a little better to your simple bolt on and tune over the ls platform.. unless its the ls7 of course. Your talking 30whp from an offroad x pipe and tune (no not making that up... about 15whp from the x pipe and 15 from the tune). However a full bolt on 5.0 will make more power then a full bolt on ls6 car. But the Z has the advantage in weight and aero. GT gets the gearing/hp advantage. If you compare those 2 cars... it really is a drivers race. Stock for stock, its no comparison.... the Z will walk. But regardless... weight and aerodynamics are something you cant just "install" on a car. So if the vette has equal hp and gearing as well... again... its a walk for the Z. I ended up with a new Boss 302.. its basically the c5 z06 to the standard c5 in the 5.0 world. Im not biased to either brand, unless its pre 2011 then im chevy all day lol. I saw it like this. I wanted a new car... the c5 z is...well old. I cant afford a brand new c6 z... and i didnt want a standard GT (though nothing to sleep on) So i ended up with a boss. And im loving it so far.
Old 03-17-2012 | 08:09 PM
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Bad *** for a 5.7 GTO. would like to know the specs of that cam.. Daymmmm
Old 03-18-2012 | 02:14 AM
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Thanks it's a 236/248 .617 .617 on a 110. I think my car runs decent for a minimal bolt on cam only 5.7 gto
Old 03-18-2012 | 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by evangto87
not sure if you are referring to me or not but i never said they were. Above average runs from stock 5.0s with tires are trapping in the 113-114 range. Above average runs from c5 zs stock with tires are trapping 116-117. The only thing that tends to even the odds a bit, is the bolt on world. The 5.0 GTs respond a little better to your simple bolt on and tune over the ls platform.. unless its the ls7 of course. Your talking 30whp from an offroad x pipe and tune (no not making that up... about 15whp from the x pipe and 15 from the tune). However a full bolt on 5.0 will make more power then a full bolt on ls6 car. But the Z has the advantage in weight and aero. GT gets the gearing/hp advantage. If you compare those 2 cars... it really is a drivers race. Stock for stock, its no comparison.... the Z will walk. But regardless... weight and aerodynamics are something you cant just "install" on a car. So if the vette has equal hp and gearing as well... again... its a walk for the Z. I ended up with a new Boss 302.. its basically the c5 z06 to the standard c5 in the 5.0 world. Im not biased to either brand, unless its pre 2011 then im chevy all day lol. I saw it like this. I wanted a new car... the c5 z is...well old. I cant afford a brand new c6 z... and i didnt want a standard GT (though nothing to sleep on) So i ended up with a boss. And im loving it so far.
You may want to check my sig for real "full bolt-on" ls6 numbers. Most guys never get to the extent that I have with tuning and bolt-ons. They have usally swapped cam/heads by then. I would say it's right in the ballpark of a new 5.0. The 5.0 may have a bit more hp but a bit less tq and more peaky.

Dig your car, Bosses rock for the $$$. Shame I'm not in RI
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Zyborg: I'm in SA and wouldn't mind a friendly run.... I have a bolt on/cam only c5... Props to you and your vette as it does roll out hard..!
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
You may want to check my sig for real "full bolt-on" ls6 numbers. Most guys never get to the extent that I have with tuning and bolt-ons. They have usally swapped cam/heads by then. I would say it's right in the ballpark of a new 5.0. The 5.0 may have a bit more hp but a bit less tq and more peaky.

Dig your car, Bosses rock for the $$$. Shame I'm not in RI
Yea your right most people wont go to your extent before doing some motor work. Your car definately makes some strong power but more importantly, it runs the time/trap. But part for part, the new 5.0s are making a bit more power then the ls6. If you go Fast intake, they go Boss intake, EWP etc etc etc. But either way... ive always been more impressed with the stock motored bolt on cars running fast rather then the guys make 50 more hp with h/c and only going a wee bit faster. And my boss is no match for your car... yet
Old 03-18-2012 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by C5_P3rf3ct10n
Zyborg: I'm in SA and wouldn't mind a friendly run.... I have a bolt on/cam only c5... Props to you and your vette as it does roll out hard..!
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
You may want to check my sig for real "full bolt-on" ls6 numbers. Most guys never get to the extent that I have with tuning and bolt-ons. They have usally swapped cam/heads by then. I would say it's right in the ballpark of a new 5.0. The 5.0 may have a bit more hp but a bit less tq and more peaky.

Dig your car, Bosses rock for the $$$. Shame I'm not in RI
Your car isn't about the power it runs good. Its all the weight taken out of it. Most people don't do your "creative weight reduction". Don't want race seats in a DD, or racing brakes etc.
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I just did some weight reduction today... Air pump in the garbage. Hands down the best mod I've done so far.
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Originally Posted by ohioborn80
Your car isn't about the power it runs good. Its all the weight taken out of it. Most people don't do your "creative weight reduction". Don't want race seats in a DD, or racing brakes etc.
Thanks.
The race seats are more comfy and I have noticed my gf reaching for the doorhandle less to hang on....lol She must feel more secure.

Don't worry ohio, it had more mph than your bolt-on m6 5.0 at full weight, not to poke at you just stating what it did. By the way I don't have racing brakes. Just a good set of eradispeed rotors. The weight reduction has helped all aspects of the cars performance.

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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
The race seats are more comfy and I have noticed my gf reaching for the doorhandle less to hang on....lol She must feel more secure.

Don't worry ohio, it had more mph than your bolt-on m6 5.0 at full weight. By the way I don't have racing brakes. Just a good set of eradispeed rotors.
WHo cares about mph..In a drag race it is worthless its all about ET...What did your car run full weight before y ou took that 600lbs out of it.

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Originally Posted by ohioborn80
WHo caresw about mph..In a drag race it is worthless its all about ET...What did your car run full weight before y ou took that 600lbs out of it.
I care about mph. I don't have a drag car and it's not a bracket car. I did'nt take 600# out of the car either, that's a hell of a exageration. I took about 400 out. It went 11.8 @ 120 on 18' road race tires. That's with pretty mild bolt-ons. Basically only headers (poopy mac mid-lengths), cat back that I made, untouched ls6 intake, 4.11 gears and was tuned.

No fp'ed tranny either and a normal clutch.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
I care about mph. I don't have a drag car and it's not a bracket car. I did'nt take 600# out of the car either, that's a hell of a exageration. I took about 400 out. It went 11.8 @ 120 on 18' road race tires. That's with pretty mild bolt-ons. Basically only headers (poopy mac mid-lengths), cat back that I made, untouched ls6 intake, 4.11 gears and was tuned.

No fp'ed tranny either and a normal clutch.
SO at full weight and bolt ons it still ET'd slower then my car did.

I had plans of taking weight out of it(besides the wheels and suspension stuff). Like lots weight with a K member/brakes/a arms but being the tranny didn't want to hold. And they are now FP the tranny's. COst is about 2k plus shipping. Just wasn't worth it to me in long run when I could tarde in for a auto that the tranny's are holding lots more power.
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Don't forget it had 3mph on ya and you were on .1 quicker with your 6k clutch dumps and your big and littles. I would've flat wore that ****** thing out on the street for ya. That was 9yrs ago when it ran that....and last I checked this IS the street racing section. I wish I could find a full bolt-on 5.0 around here to slap around for ya while the 6 is still in it.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
Don't forget it had 3mph on ya and you were on .1 quicker with your 6k clutch dumps and your big and littles. I would've flat wore that ****** thing out on the street for ya. That was 9yrs ago when it ran that....and last I checked this IS the street racing section. I wish I could find a full bolt-on 5.0 around here to slap around for ya while the 6 is still in it.
11.4 to 11.8 is more then. 1. With 1mph more. 119 to 120. And just as many people here run at the track as to on the street. So while we was lined up and I kept getting the win light you could talk all the well I had more trap.
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OP good runs. Give 'em hell.


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So much "shoulda, coulda, woulda" around here.

I mean just SO ******* MUCH.

I shoulda stayed outta this section for a little longer if I coulda found something else to do at the moment because if I did then I woulda.


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