Mach 1 vs LS3 Camaro
05-23-2012, 07:39 AM
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I think there were many reasons the 4th gen LS1s were such lousy sellers compared to the Mustang. First of all most sales were to women and V6s in regards to total sales. Second to the average buyer who wanted a V8 car(and they don't mod it) the LS1 Fbody was not appealing due to the big dash,heavy doors,poor build quality GM was known for,stupid hump in the passenger side floor,terrible driving position and what appeared to be an old design(Ford updated the body style 2 twice since 1993). Plus most people that never bothered to drive an LS1 Fbody actually thought a 2 valve GT was faster due to the noise etc it made. Third gens were not reliable and a lot of Pony car owners swore them off after owning one. Ford also as mentioned heavily adverstised and supported their pony car even offering a ton of performance parts for it. Lets not mention when you went to the track back in 93-99 and most of the late model cars you saw were stangs. A real shame. Despite its flaws a 4th gen LS1 Fbody would outrun just about anything when it debuted which may explain why many people were disappointed when the 5th gen SS debuted...
05-23-2012, 07:52 AM
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Thats true but I am not talking about its class. A 4th gen LS1 would outrun some Vettes,RX7,3000GT,Supras,300ZX TT(96s last year) etc which cost a lot more, in the straights and a couple of ticks behind a Viper. A 98GT vs a 98 Z28 was UGLY(15 sec secon car that could do 130ish MPH vs a low 13 second car that could do 155)-much more so than a 09 GT vs 10 Ss) They were monsters and a good bang for the buck back in the day. I think a lot of people were expecting another straight line monster in the 5th gen which it really is not despite being a much all around better car.
05-23-2012, 08:54 AM
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As many people still say today, it was the appearance of the front end and the sound of the car that didn't appeal. Plus, when you look at the base price of a Z28 in 1993 and the base prices from 98-02, it's not hard to see why there would be a decline. Base MSRP of a Z28 in 93 was something like 16k.
05-23-2012, 11:23 AM
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Lt1's would lay the smack down on the old foxes and sn95 cars in so many ways. I remember when the lt's debude in show room stock racing at Sebring. The lt's had a whole back stretch lead in just a few laps......you did'nt even know Mustangs ran in that class.
05-23-2012, 11:32 AM
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I drove the new Eco Boost truck a few times. Buddy in college has one. 1st time I thought it was gutless torque wise. Then drove it again and it was nice. Got 24mpg on a short road trip to Iowa City and pulls his family's boat with ease. Had the seat all the way back and the guy in the backseat had LOTS of room. They are nice new trucks now.
If anything, the new Silverados with the 4.8, 5.3's are gutless power wise. But then again, so are our old LQ4's in today's standards
If anything, the new Silverados with the 4.8, 5.3's are gutless power wise. But then again, so are our old LQ4's in today's standards
05-23-2012, 11:40 AM
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05-23-2012, 12:12 PM
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Not with good driving they were not. Top end the Cobra could pull it.
I went mid 13s in a Cobra. Many people like Mike Smith,Bob Cosby,David T,Mod father and other guys from the Corral back then went low 13s. Was not easy to do though.
WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!
05-23-2012, 02:29 PM
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Multi-Quotin' to the rescue. 
......I mean really ......you guys bought that ****.....lUm, yes....it totally outsold it. Don't get all butthurt now.
Seriously? So the 4V's don't 'keep up'? Really? 
~mid/high 13s low performance..... then I guess Fbod's have really low performance too.
Ford definitely markets the Mustang better. Up until very recently their truck engines was a huge piece of crap too, drive and ride was also ****. Has anyone here ever drove a 2v ford truck......that ****** thing won't hardly move it's self must less pull anything. There marketing department has done a great job keeping them in business.
ROFLMBO...that is TOO much. So, what stage do you have if you have a stage III CAI, and a stage II NOS kit, and a stage IV suspension kit, and a stage VIII driver's side seat, and dub-6's?Just so i know where I'd be if I ever owned a dodge.
I'mma transform ya, I'mma transform ya....comes to mind.
Yep, that's an open minded view point.
ROFL,.....and what's with you calling everyone a Dumb'A, yet have spelling issues?
96 Cobra was faster well driven. Thats the key. It was so undergeared and people didn't rev it high enough.
Not with good driving they were not. Top end the Cobra could pull it.
I went mid 13s in a Cobra. Many people like Mike Smith,Bob Cosby,David T,Mod father and other guys from the Corral back then went low 13s. Was not easy to do though.
Not with good driving they were not. Top end the Cobra could pull it.
I went mid 13s in a Cobra. Many people like Mike Smith,Bob Cosby,David T,Mod father and other guys from the Corral back then went low 13s. Was not easy to do though.