O-FiveCC

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You don't have to go by hero runs lol. I just stated it was a better way to go by then just saying "I saw so and so run 12.8" And another says "I saw so an so run 12.7". Internet racing is usually very vague, with no one ALL conditions such as DA, wind direction, weight, track prep...As I said before, hero runs will at least show you what happens with every condition perfect. Thats just me, and thats how I judge a car, not by what people have in their sig, or by what drag times says, or by what I see at the track....all those times are more driver/prep/DA related.


LOL, what's you point??? These car's are very close, with a tiny edge going to the Mach?

O-FiveCC

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Sounds great, I have also raced many of these cars several times. However, you can feel how you want, I was stating why I like to judge by hero runs. You don't have to like or accept it lol

willys srt8

Obviously the list I previously posted was not all inclusive of the C5s. It was for a guestimate. I can't find crap on the hero runs for a SRT. Maybe someone here has a link or data.

Theblacknightls1

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99/01cobra is a 13.5-13.7 car 98 cobra 13.8-13.9 mach 1 13.3-13.50 I could be wrong just what I think.

Theblacknightls1

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I saw one just a little while ago of a 12.5 pass at 110 for the 300 hard to believe but did see It. i know with little mode its possible not sure bone stock

O-FiveCC

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Gotcha. Doesn't seem to far off for the C5. I said 12.6 you found 12.7. Let me know what you find on the SRT's. As you know, I love to know the best couple hero runs from each car.

Theblacknightls1

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http://www.lxforums.com/board/f61/wh...57/index2.html

willys srt8

Good find!

I know I ran a 12.85@108.39 in +1872 DA when I was bone stock and It was my first day ever driving on a strip. This was after the four hour drive from Newport News, VA to VMP. All due to an arguement on this site that said a STOCK SRT8 couldn't break 12s. Sad part is I still haven't been able to beat it. Now I just blow the street tires off. I don't go to the track enough to justify the DRs.

Theblacknightls1

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That's pretty good for being stock. Hopefully I don't blow the tires off in my little skittle :/

O-FiveCC

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Damn. I ran a 13.5 at 103 stock lol. I did have bad front strut rubbing wearing, horrible rear tie camber, I believe a tune left on the car from unknown mods, and wierd mismatched 245/45/17 street tires when I ran. I ran an SRt9 Charger later, while I spun and had a 2.6 60', he ran a 13.7 with a decent launch. Also ran a Auto 2011 5.0 Mustang with slicks (on my low 13.5 run) who out 60' me by .15 and beat me .15 (high 13.3 run). I know that 5.0 is faster, which leads me to like hero runs lol.

12.8 stock is good, I don't care who you are. I have read a few GTO's going 12.9 bone stock first time out, but I never expect to see it.

Stopsign32v

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Your posts just make more and more sense as you go on. Keep going...do tell more

Stopsign32v

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IMO the Mach 1 is a 13.9 car with a horrible driver, 13.5 with a below average driver, 13.3 with an average driver, 13.1 with a good driver, and I think given seat time with a great driver one could run 12.9 if track prep was done well. The problem with Mustangs stock is the lack of rubber they are given and the gears (but we all know this so I'm just pointing out the obvious).

willys srt8

O-FiveCC I agree. Too many variables to try to factor. I like the mag times due to the fact that it tends to be the same group that tests all the cars. They try to factor in as many factors as they can to accurately compare makes. They usually don't pull of the hero runs nor do they run the slowest times. So by comparison, we the consumer ends up with a somewhere in the middle set of numbers for each make. Which is what the average knuckle head can do at the track. LOL

Cwarta

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Stock ls1 gto vs mach 1 from dig = Drivers race. Stock ls1gto vs stock mach1 from roll= mach1 getting raped. Same trans in each of course.

O-FiveCC

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This is a problem with a lot of stock "performance" cars, which is why "driver" is a good mod, or first mod's being gears or a real tire. Not sure what the mach comes with stock, I know my car comes with 245/45/17, which is completely rediculous.

O-FiveCC

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I agree to an extent. An issue in the back of my head, is whether a certain company has paid the magazine any money. Not sure if this has happened, or whether it is common, just an issue. I take the magazine times and figure "average" runs for a car myself.

Saying a stock Mach1 should run low 13's makes me LOL.



Stopsign, I called out bolt-on Mach on SVTP. If they are as fast as you say, just get one for two to go to my track day, and we can settle this. I'm not into the internet dick measuring like many. If I have a question of who is faster, I'll just race them. I'll have some weight out in prep for some 11 second car's, so tell them to do the same. If not, then we can calculate .1 for every 100lbs. You like to be a smart ***, I like to actually run said car. Get me some contestants! I see Mach's all over down here, but so far, only have one sketchy response from a bolt-on Mach running 12.8...

And stopsign, you say 12.9 if track prep is great, I don't know the stock Hero Mach runs, but these cars have been out 7-8 years, Has anyone run 12.9 stock with proof?

O-FiveCC

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I actually think it would be a close lol, sorry to step on a fellow GTO brother's toes. They have about 40 less HP and are 400lbs lighter. Seems very close

willys srt8

I can't speak on the integrity of the Mags. However, I try to give them the benefit of the doubt that they are professionals. When multiple mags including the mags that cater to that particular brand are saying the same thing that other non-loyal mags are, I have to consider this to be the bias breaker.

For example, I'm sure that the mustang community didn't want to hear about the Camaro running better times in a Mustang mag.

http://www.stangbangers.com/01_Bullitt_Article2.htm

O-FiveCC

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I 100% agree on that.

Cwarta

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Hey, no problem! I do think a dig race could go either way, straight off the assembly line. But im pretty sure 9 times out of 10 a ls1 gto would win the roll race. Now throw tunes at them both.......