Challenger SRT8 6.4L vs. wife's Pontiac G8
05-31-2012, 10:06 PM
#282
IMO the Mach 1 is a 13.9 car with a horrible driver, 13.5 with a below average driver, 13.3 with an average driver, 13.1 with a good driver, and I think given seat time with a great driver one could run 12.9 if track prep was done well. The problem with Mustangs stock is the lack of rubber they are given and the gears (but we all know this so I'm just pointing out the obvious).
Last edited by Theblacknightls1; 05-31-2012 at 10:15 PM.
05-31-2012, 10:41 PM
#284
Stopsign, I called out bolt-on Mach on SVTP. If they are as fast as you say, just get one for two to go to my track day, and we can settle this. I'm not into the internet dick measuring like many. If I have a question of who is faster, I'll just race them. I'll have some weight out in prep for some 11 second car's, so tell them to do the same. If not, then we can calculate .1 for every 100lbs. You like to be a smart ***, I like to actually run said car. Get me some contestants! I see Mach's all over down here, but so far, only have one sketchy response from a bolt-on Mach running 12.8...
And stopsign, you say 12.9 if track prep is great, I don't know the stock Hero Mach runs, but these cars have been out 7-8 years, Has anyone run 12.9 stock with proof?
And stopsign, you say 12.9 if track prep is great, I don't know the stock Hero Mach runs, but these cars have been out 7-8 years, Has anyone run 12.9 stock with proof?
I'm not going to take the time to get anyone to race you. 
You've got me confused with someone that cares if a bolt on Mach can or cant beat you with X mods. If you have a problem with me being a smart *** or what my bolt on Mach 1 runs then come run me, not someone else. I run at Atlanta Dragway so that is a little south from me to help you out. I need to get new tires so give me a day or two notice so Summit can ship them. Other than that let me know.
There actually is a guy that recently ran a corrected 12.9 in a stock Mach 1 I believe. In fact a GM owner off here text messaged me about it. Not sure if this is what he was talking about or not but this is what I'm talking about recently. http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/...d.php?t=122153 Not sure if anyone has done better or not, honestly doesn't matter much to me. I don't like racing what if's or other people's car.
05-31-2012, 10:45 PM
#285
Fwiw, Steve Baur (GMHTP) ran an 03 c5 to 12.7 @ 111
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...ure/index.html
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...ure/index.html
05-31-2012, 11:48 PM
#288
Show me any GT that will run with me, pre 11`. Stock for stock? Welcome to having an old *** car. New cars are faster stock, get over it. When you guys come to terms with that, maybe there can be a civil conversation on here. I have no problems admiting faster cars are faster, but a stock Mach is not one of those cars.... Cobra`s are fast, ne 5.0`s are fast.
05-31-2012, 11:58 PM
#289
lol the guy with no car wants to share his meaningless opinion.
Anyways like i previously said lets compare trap speeds. Obviously a 110 mph car will walk a 105 mph car on the street. At the track which car has the potential to have a lower E/T? the Higher MPH car. Basically meaning the higher MPH car is faster.
Last edited by adamantium; 06-01-2012 at 12:05 AM.
06-01-2012, 12:17 AM
#290
That's like saying a 150lb kick boxer beating the **** out of a 240lb body builder doesn't make sense because the body builder is better. When you go to the track you aren't out there to see the best trap speed you run. That is why the time is listed on the top.
Some of you guys...
"Hey man what did you run at the track?"
"Oh a 15.5, but dude look at my trap speed!!! 112mph!"
"Woah bro, you are a winner for sure!"
"
"
06-01-2012, 12:26 AM
#291
That's like saying a 150lb kick boxer beating the **** out of a 240lb body builder doesn't make sense because the body builder is better. When you go to the track you aren't out there to see the best trap speed you run. That is why the time is listed on the top.
Some of you guys...
"Hey man what did you run at the track?"
"Oh a 15.5, but dude look at my trap speed!!! 112mph!"
"Woah bro, you are a winner for sure!"
"
"Shitty analogy.
Like i said before trap speeds are everything. You're car runs like it should. A 108 mph car should run mid to high 12s. You just proved that you got your car to 60ft thats all. A 108 mph car is a 108mph car, they both have the potential to run similar E/Ts. Heres a good demanstration of a 108 mph car (mustang) vs a 109 mph car (hatch). The hatch ran 12.6 cutting a high 1.9 60ft on DR.
and it was worse from a 45 roll
With a better 60ft the hatch was capable of running low 12s.
06-01-2012, 12:28 AM
#292
If you want to race trap speeds that is your call, not saying you can't. I've just never seen a class at the drag strip where they focus on trap speeds over ETs. I can say I learned something new today. Trap speed > anything else in life
06-01-2012, 12:35 AM
#293
What does a class at the strip have to do with this? Usually cars that race in a class are expected to 60ft well, regardless i got a bunch of buddies that enter 11.50 class with a 10.50 car just because they don't feel like throwing in a cage and plus its easy money for them. That's irrelevant.
Bottom line is this. We have 2 cars both cutting identical 60fts one traps a higher MPH than the other, which car has the potential to have a lower E/T?
Edit: If trap speeds were irrelevant then why isn't your 108 mph car running low 11s?
Trap speeds are the best way to gauge how fast a car IS.
06-01-2012, 12:40 AM
#294
What does a class at the strip have to do with this? Usually cars that race in a class are expected to 60ft well, regardless i got a bunch of buddies that enter 11.50 class with a 10.50 car just because they don't feel like throwing in a cage and plus its easy money for them. That's irrelevant.
Bottom line is this. We have 2 cars both cutting identical 60fts one traps a higher MPH than the other, which car has the potential to have a lower E/T?
Bottom line is this. We have 2 cars both cutting identical 60fts one traps a higher MPH than the other, which car has the potential to have a lower E/T?
06-01-2012, 12:41 AM
#295
06-01-2012, 12:44 AM
#296
What? Im trying to make a point. You were being sarcastic in you're post so i reponded and now your only response is some shitty cheeky comment? Cool.
What else does it require cause **** bro your cars 60fting like a low 11 second car, i wonder why its not running low 11s or 10s bro. Oh i know why, because it doesn't have the power/trap speed to do it. Herp Derp.
06-01-2012, 12:49 AM
#298
Like i said look at all those low 13 sec cars running low 13s out the box lets compare 60fts to yours. Im damn sure it aint even in the 1.x's.
My argument is this since you obviously can't wrap your head around it.
A higher MPH car has the potential to go faster down the 1/4 (lower E/T).
06-01-2012, 12:57 AM
#299
Well no ****...but at the track no one cares about trap speed. If you run 13.4@113mph against a 12.1@110mph car you don't get the win light, a hug, or a pat on the back. If you go to a event and one car runs 9.8@143mph against a car that runs 10.0@146mph guess which car takes home the win.
Let's hear what your car runs. I think that will shed some light on the issue.
Let's hear what your car runs. I think that will shed some light on the issue.
06-01-2012, 01:06 AM
#300
Well no ****...but at the track no one cares about trap speed. If you run 13.4@113mph against a 12.1@110mph car you don't get the win light, a hug, or a pat on the back. If you go to a event and one car runs 9.8@143mph against a car that runs 10.0@146mph guess which car takes home the win.
Let's hear what your car runs. I think that will shed some light on the issue.
Let's hear what your car runs. I think that will shed some light on the issue.
IMO I consider the higher traping car to be the faster car, just because at all thing equal it will always be faster. BUT that's not how reality works, so yeah.
Oh and ive never taken my car to the track, don't plan to either. Its my daily, if it breaks i don't get to where i need to go and that's more important to me then posting my track times up online.
But i do give you props for having a properly setup car, not many people do it.
Edit: Which is why you and niterider should just cut the ****. He's arguing trap speeds, your arguing E/Ts. Apples to oranges.