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Old 12-08-2012, 07:32 PM
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I run on the street with a tire, rain or shine. And I figured you would puss out. Must not be too sure of yourself.
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Originally Posted by Stopsign32v
Tune...settled in?
Were you not here for elmeromaro's demise?

Ohh boy, you would've had fun with that guy.
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Musta missed that.
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Originally Posted by Stopsign32v
Musta missed that.
Yeah, he was one of those new guy BS'ers that was quickly an outcast
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Originally Posted by Stopsign32v
I run on the street with a tire, rain or shine. And I figured you would puss out. Must not be too sure of yourself.
Puss out about what? I don't wanna run a drag tire all the time.....to me that's pussin out. When that happens you know your livin on the holeshot with your over geared car. Hell I'm back on stock SS wheels with a normal tire for winter. I wore out some tires I had on some t/a 16' s for winter. I drive my ****. Besides drag tires don't handle as well.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
Puss out about what? I don't wanna run a drag tire all the time.....to me that's pussin out. When that happens you know your livin on the holeshot with your over geared car. Hell I'm back on stock SS wheels with a normal tire for winter. I wore out some tires I had on some t/a 16' s for winter. I drive my ****. Besides drag tires don't handle as well.


On my old LT1, I had to rely on the 275/40/17 555R's on it at all times to get that hole shot to make up for my lack of power
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Originally Posted by marc97taws6


On my old LT1, I had to rely on the 275/40/17 555R's on it at all times to get that hole shot to make up for my lack of power
That's the same thing Stoppy is doin...he just don't want to admit it. LT1's can have a serious hole shot on them! Real good tq!

A buddy had a pretty much stock lt z28 auto....when he smashed the gas and it would hook with a normal tire it was like the tape in the tape deck would stay where is and the car took off. The tape would end up in the back seat. That car went a 13.9 with 120k on it and nothing done.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
That's the same thing Stoppy is doin...he just don't want to admit it. LT1's can have a serious hole shot on them! Real good tq!

A buddy had a pretty much stock lt z28 auto....when he smashed the gas and it would hook with a normal tire it was like the tape in the tape deck would stay where is and the car took off. The tape would end up in the back seat. That car went a 13.9 with 120k on it and nothing done.
Yeah, the bolt-ons, 3.73s, 3600 stall, and 555R's made for some really surprised people in street races. I would mostly only run from a dig (my advantage) and most everybody in the Des Moines area does power on their cars before suspension and getting everything to hook and go

Exhibit A: bolt-on LS1 Camaro (full exhaust, 3.73s, M6)
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13.9 is pretty much up to par with stock auto mach 1s if im not mistaken?
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People under estimate lt's. Done right they can hook like mad and put some distance on someone in a hurry with all that instant tq. It really don't take much to get them to the 12's. Did you ever run yours Marc?
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Originally Posted by adamantium
13.9 is pretty much up to par with stock auto mach 1s if im not mistaken?
Give or take a few tenths from what I've seen, yep!

I say that because when IRunElevens and the other 2V guys were always claiming 2V's were easily 13's and 12's with bolt-ons, I still haven't seen it. Iowa doesn't have a strong showing for those cars. But then again, you turn around and there are quite a few underperforming LT1, LS1, LS2, LS3s as well
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Originally Posted by adamantium
13.9 is pretty much up to par with stock auto mach 1s if im not mistaken?
Pretty much, but I would give the Mach a slight edge in that comparison.
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Originally Posted by marc97taws6
Give or take a few tenths from what I've seen, yep!

I say that because when IRunElevens and the other 2V guys were always claiming 2V's were easily 13's and 12's with bolt-ons, I still haven't seen it. Iowa doesn't have a strong showing for those cars. But then again, you turn around and there are quite a few underperforming LT1, LS1, LS2, LS3s as well

lol 2v's with bolt ons are garbage, my friends intake header e85 tuned RSX would **** those things up.


Originally Posted by HioSSilver
Pretty much, but I would give the Mach a slight edge in that comparison.
Yeah aren't the mach1s alot lighter? Sucks no one really messes with the LTx platform by me, i had a friend who was putting one in an el camino but he ******* gave up on it.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
People under estimate lt's. Done right they can hook like mad and put some distance on someone in a hurry with all that instant tq. It really don't take much to get them to the 12's. Did you ever run yours Marc?
Yeah, the kid who bought mine from me traded it in and it got sold to another kid who is supposedly selling it for $1500-$2000 with a blown head gasket. Sometimes I consider pulling out some cash and picking it back up to surprise a few people with a well built 383 H/C/I LT1 can do if given the right set of parts. Not sure if I want to go down that road though...

Yes, my old LT1 WS6 went to the strip a couple times.

Best run was 13.024@103.33 with 1.74 60' in ~2700DA in 80+* weather. That was with 3.73's, Yank SS3600, Ebay SS LT's (measured 1-5/8", not 1-3/4" as advertised), ORY, Loudmouth 2 catback, DR's, and full weight - I had my buddy dynomat the whole car to make the road noise in it much less. Never got a chance to get it on the scales

Wish I would have ran it again with the torque arm angle not so screwed up, LCA relocation brackets, EWP, new DR's, a drag wheel setup or skinnies up front with 275/40/17 DR in rear, a better tune, and some nitrous (took kit off before I sold it)
Originally Posted by HioSSilver
Pretty much, but I would give the Mach a slight edge in that comparison.
This
Originally Posted by adamantium
Sucks no one really messes with the LTx platform by me, i had a friend who was putting one in an el camino but he ******* gave up on it.
Yeah man, not too many people mess around with them out here either. Most are setup like junk, but a few are setup just right!

Here is a local guy's 383 LE2 LT1
http://static.ak.fbcdn.net/rsrc.php/...531258854&ev=0

1200DA
1.557 60ft
4.576 330ft
7.093 1/8th
95.89 mph

Setup:
12.6:1 383 on E85
LE2 stock ported heads
236/242 .568/.568 112LSA cam
4L60E, 3600 Circle D, 3.89 gears with a Quick performance 9" rear.
Weighs 3630
EFI connection 24x conversion

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Originally Posted by marc97taws6
Yeah, the bolt-ons, 3.73s, 3600 stall, and 555R's made for some really surprised people in street races. I would mostly only run from a dig (my advantage) and most everybody in the Des Moines area does power on their cars before suspension and getting everything to hook and go

Exhibit A: bolt-on LS1 Camaro (full exhaust, 3.73s, M6)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl0fin80-Wc
I ran a auto lt years ago when I only had a few bolt-ons on the ls1 from a dig......took me for ever to catch that ******! Finally came by him on the 3-4 shift. He was out a good 2-3 cars on the hole shot.
Originally Posted by adamantium
lol 2v's with bolt ons are garbage, my friends intake header e85 tuned RSX would **** those things up.




Yeah aren't the mach1s alot lighter? Sucks no one really messes with the LTx platform by me, i had a friend who was putting one in an el camino but he ******* gave up on it.
A friend has a pretty mild lt build.....junk rebuild really. He used pistons and rods from a different motor with no machine work. New rings and bearings and a mild cam later and he's running 12.1 @ 114 at just about full weight with a m6 car. Shortie headers and a mail order tune to boot.

they can run strong.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
Puss out about what? I don't wanna run a drag tire all the time.....to me that's pussin out. When that happens you know your livin on the holeshot with your over geared car. Hell I'm back on stock SS wheels with a normal tire for winter. I wore out some tires I had on some t/a 16' s for winter. I drive my ****. Besides drag tires don't handle as well.
Puss out about putting $500 up saying next time at the track if I'm on 100% street tires I can break into the 12's. I believe everyone here would agree Ron could be trusted with the money.

I use my car's strengths to my advantage. If you don't then you are a moron.
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Originally Posted by Stopsign32v
Puss out about putting $500 up saying next time at the track if I'm on 100% street tires I can break into the 12's. I believe everyone here would agree Ron could be trusted with the money.

I use my car's strengths to my advantage. If you don't then you are a moron.
Yea dude.....I'm not puttin $500 on any bet. That's just foolish. Go do it...prove me wrong and don;t be a puss about it. You be one of these guys that takes their interior out just to try to prove something and get a #. You can't be trusted like that. Why don't you come up this way and run a mild bolt-on ls1 like Notche's...??/ Don't be a puss now.

yea this would be the 2nd time you've been called out by me.
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I've told Notch I would be more than happy to run him at Zmax. Why do I want to put street tires on and run at the track when I can put slicks on and my car will stay together when I dump the clutch at 6,500rpms?
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Originally Posted by Guitar
2nd at a 40 roll feels like I'm in gear for 5 minutes. I need 4.10s.
Start in 1st gear

Nice kill Stopsign! Fricken 3vs.... LOL
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Originally Posted by Stopsign32v
I've told Notch I would be more than happy to run him at Zmax. Why do I want to put street tires on and run at the track when I can put slicks on and my car will stay together when I dump the clutch at 6,500rpms?
Holy ****....you ran that 12.6 on a slick with a 6500rpm dump....lmao Nice job using your car's strongest asset.....inertia.....lol Wouldn't you get a *** rapin from Notch on the street. That would be epic.

I've done told you why. So you know how your runs in real street trim.


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