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Old 02-06-2013 | 01:34 AM
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Hope you keep plugging away at it Evan.

I'd like to see how fast you can go with a Boss staying N/A and still a dd style street car.
Old 02-06-2013 | 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Heater
Hope you keep plugging away at it Evan.

I'd like to see how fast you can go with a Boss staying N/A and still a dd style street car.
Thanks man me too. Arent many more things to do.

Retune (raise timing and revs)
wheels and tires (drop 95lbs + traction) 28" dr on 15 inch wheel
aluminium flywheel (drop 15lbs)
3.90 rem polished/lightened gears (drop 10lbs)

This will get me to a 3350 raceweight and around 450-460whp. Thats still bone stock longblock and 93 octane. Im sure ill find other places to pull weight along the way as well.

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Old 02-06-2013 | 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by evangto87
Thanks man me too. Arent many more things to do.

Retune (raise timing and revs)
wheels and tires (drop 95lbs + traction) 28" dr on 15 inch wheel
aluminium flywheel (drop 15lbs)
3.90 rem polished/lightened gears (drop 10lbs)

This will get me to a 3350 raceweight and around 450-460whp. Thats still bone stock longblock and 93 octane. Im sure ill find other places to pull weight along the way as well.
95lbs on wheels and tires? What do stockers weigh? Thats ALOT of rotational inertia weight off. That'll be a substantial difference.
Old 02-06-2013 | 04:45 AM
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95lbs on wheels and tires? What do stockers weigh? Thats ALOT of rotational inertia weight off. That'll be a substantial difference.
32lbs off the back wheel and tire. The rest off the front. Total of around 50lbs removed from drivetrain rotating weight. Should be a noticable difference.

Factory Wheel weight Back - 35lbs
Factory Wheel weight front - 34lbs
Factory tire weight back - 27lbs
Factory tire weight front - 27lbs
Total Front - 61lbs each
Total Back - 62lbs each

Weld RTS 15x10 - 15lbs
Weld RTS 17x5 - 14lbs
Mickey Thompson Tire - 31lbs
M&H Front Tire - 15lbs
Total Rear - 46lbs each
Total Front - 29lbs each

Front Total Saving - 64lbs
Rear Total Saving - 32lbs

96lbs total

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Old 02-06-2013 | 04:57 AM
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huh???wtf are you talking about??

Yea....you did such a great job with yours that it's a inspiration to all of us......lmfao

Someone mentioned it was a 06 car. Yea man....my car barely moves with it's 131mph trapps......so what's your excuse only having 2mph on me with 300 more whp......lmfao again....yes you are that dumb. So tell me why said bolt-on car out trapps and out et's your car when you have the exact same engine/car supposedly but they do it with 300 less whp and n/a????? Do you feel any dumber?....cause you should feel pretty stupid at this point.



I like n/a ****. But to be honest I would 6speed swap a L99 car if I wanted a 5th gen. I don't know how fast one would go but I would say I could probably get above average .


Yea man...think of me out driving my hotrod anywhere I want to go while some of you are beating around with a beater car.....cause that is so super cool. And your right, I know no aspects of other platforms....I was litterally born yesturday. Any posts I have had previous to this was a facade of me.
Are you really that stupid? Almost 900lbs weight difference from me and you. And 300whp? I went 10.39@133 at 640whp to your 430whp on a dynojet. I could use my same tune mustang dyno which was mid 500's. But lets see, SC, x pipe, stall, driveshaft, boss, some small suspension, vs engine swap, lots weight reduction, full bolt ons, faceplated tranny, etc, 10.39@133 vs 11.01@131, new car with all luxuries.vs out dated none the luxuries of new cars, 3900lbs vs 3100lbs, 18xx da vs 800da, shitty Little River vs great track. Yep your still losing.

And you can look at the car and video. Clearly says 2011 but nice try with some one said was a 06.

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Originally Posted by odthetruth
95lbs on wheels and tires? What do stockers weigh? Thats ALOT of rotational inertia weight off. That'll be a substantial difference.
I've been saying this for awhile. I drop even more cause I have heavy 20's. My rims and tire in the rear weigh about 70lb+s each. Fronts are 65lbs+. I foget what they was to the T. But rear was like 75 and fronts 68 or so. Same rears as Evan but I run 15's up front also for a little more weight drop. I lose over 130lbs from wheel swap.
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I've been saying this for awhile. I drop even more cause I have heavy 20's. My rims and tire in the rear weigh about 73lbs each. Fronts are 66lbs. Same rears as Evan but I run 15's up front also for a little more weight drop. I lose over 130lbs from wheel swap.
whats the lightest street car out there? And by street car i mean AC/PS/full interior/ etc.
Old 02-06-2013 | 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by evangto87
ok hype was the wrong word. More like bragging. For example... if someone is talking about one thing... you tend to come in and present yourself with a sort of "well my stock ls6 does this, while your built that cant" type mentality.
I don't do that either. Like I said take them glasses off. Most of the time these guys start in on me first. Then since they can't understand why or how they wat to make fun of my mods all the while having much greater mods than myself in most cases.
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Hope you keep plugging away at it Evan.

I'd like to see how fast you can go with a Boss staying N/A and still a dd style street car.
X2....learn how to drive it the track too. You f'ed up major last time.
Originally Posted by ohioborn80
Are you really that stupid? Almost 900lbs weight difference from me and you. And 300whp? I went 10.39@133 at 640whp to your 430whp on a dynojet. I could use my same tune mustang dyno which was mid 500's. But lets see, SC, x pipe, stall, driveshaft, boss, some small suspension, vs engine swap, lots weight reduction, full bolt ons, faceplated tranny, etc, 10.39@133 vs 11.01@131, new car with all luxuries.vs out dated none the luxuries of new cars, 3900lbs vs 3100lbs, 18xx da vs 800da, shitty Little River vs great track. Yep your still losing.

And you can look at the car and video. Clearly says 2011 but nice try with some one said was a 06.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML1KZEUhn0Y
All that's right....I forgot your the only one that can come up with reason's why your heap can't do better with all that boost. You whiny *** idiot.

Yea man my track is great.....ask Mike. Everyone goes 2sec faster there with the awesome track prep. I'm sure your track is the worst in the country and everyone would slow down 2 seconds over a average track. I always thought your times were slow for your power.....but it really is your track.


Nnaahh your really just that dumb. Post up some more record cars you can't keep up with.
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Originally Posted by evangto87
Thanks man me too. Arent many more things to do.

Retune (raise timing and revs)
wheels and tires (drop 95lbs + traction) 28" dr on 15 inch wheel
aluminium flywheel (drop 15lbs)
3.90 rem polished/lightened gears (drop 10lbs)

This will get me to a 3350 raceweight and around 450-460whp. Thats still bone stock longblock and 93 octane. Im sure ill find other places to pull weight along the way as well.
Shouldn't you make more power than that???......I mean hell ohio made 465 with a regular 5.0....ain't that right ohio?? You with your under performing bolt-on m6 car. But I'll give you credit.....if you can't do it then you will post someone who can....lmao
Old 02-06-2013 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
This coming from someone who has never been 11's means nothing. It just shows your stupidity.


A ls1 can be had for ~$1000, ls6's can be found for ~$2500. Kinda hard to beat the bang for the buck. Either can and will go well into the 11's. The old crap is gonna probably need a rebuild and some parts to keep up thus exceeding the price of the ls.

Hell I know where someone could get a fresh shortblock 408 ls right now for $2000-2500.
Stupidity? That is all that ever comes out of your post.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
Shouldn't you make more power than that???......I mean hell ohio made 465 with a regular 5.0....ain't that right ohio?? You with your under performing bolt-on m6 car. But I'll give you credit.....if you can't do it then you will post someone who can....lmao
tbh... 460whp is going to be tough on the dyno i use but i think its a very accurate guess. I dont expect to make more then 445whp my next dyno visit. Plan on making the rest of the power through 50lbs of weight removal from the drivetrain. Other then that... theres really not much more i can do to make power. They do make an ewp now for these motors... but im not really feeling that... not yet anyway. Only thing im waiting on is someone to test out the cobra jet intake and see where it picks up gains. Im not sure how ohio got 465whp out of his coyote. The highest coyote ive seen which had a full exhaust and boss intake made 415whp on my dyno. So idk... we will see.
Old 02-06-2013 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
I don't do that either. Like I said take them glasses off. Most of the time these guys start in on me first. Then since they can't understand why or how they wat to make fun of my mods all the while having much greater mods than myself in most cases.

X2....learn how to drive it the track too. You f'ed up major last time.


All that's right....I forgot your the only one that can come up with reason's why your heap can't do better with all that boost. You whiny *** idiot.

Yea man my track is great.....ask Mike. Everyone goes 2sec faster there with the awesome track prep. I'm sure your track is the worst in the country and everyone would slow down 2 seconds over a average track. I always thought your times were slow for your power.....but it really is your track.


Nnaahh your really just that dumb. Post up some more record cars you can't keep up with.
Plenty people here have ran at TAD/Little River then ran at SAR and dropped .2-.5 actually. So yes I know my track is worse then yours.

And my car and all that boost? 10-11lbs is a lot? And still stock engine, headers, full weight. As said I'm faster, in all aspects you like to bring up. ET/trap. I get 24-25mpg on the interstate, pretty good for a car making 700whp in an auto with 3800 stall. Average 15-16 in the city. Weighing almost 900lbs more, in a better car with more options.

Your a total ******* idiot. And the more you try to explain why your heap of **** is better then others makes it show. Go cut/grind/drill some more **** on your engine swapped/built tranny tin can. And continue to be slower in a more purpose built car then me. Let me know when you can out run me. Which by looking will be never.
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Originally Posted by ohioborn80
Plenty people here have ran at TAD/Little River then ran at SAR and dropped .2-.5 actually. So yes I know my track is worse then yours.

And my car and all that boost? 10-11lbs is a lot? And still stock engine, headers, full weight. As said I'm faster, in all aspects you like to bring up. ET/trap. I get 24-25mpg on the interstate, pretty good for a car making 700whp in an auto with 3800 stall. Average 15-16 in the city. Weighing almost 900lbs more, in a better car with more options.

Your a total ******* idiot. And the more you try to explain why your heap of **** is better then others makes it show. Go cut/grind/drill some more **** on your engine swapped/built tranny tin can. And continue to be slower in a more purpose built car then me. Let me know when you can out run me. Which by looking will be never.
Atleast HioSilver contributes to the technical knowledge of this site... Something that cannot be said about your posts that typically resemble an angry teenager texting gibberish... might as well start talking in your language so you can understand me.

Carry-on children...
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Originally Posted by evangto87
tbh... 460whp is going to be tough on the dyno i use but i think its a very accurate guess. I dont expect to make more then 445whp my next dyno visit. Plan on making the rest of the power through 50lbs of weight removal from the drivetrain. Other then that... theres really not much more i can do to make power. They do make an ewp now for these motors... but im not really feeling that... not yet anyway. Only thing im waiting on is someone to test out the cobra jet intake and see where it picks up gains. Im not sure how ohio got 465whp out of his coyote. The highest coyote ive seen which had a full exhaust and boss intake made 415whp on my dyno. So idk... we will see.
Dyno with your drag setup on..


Kdanner has had a CJ intake on order for 6 months. Its just not shipping yet for anyone. He has everything to build the CJ motor to the t. Cams, boss engine to use heads, block, internals etc.
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Originally Posted by ohioborn80
Are you really that stupid? Almost 900lbs weight difference from me and you. And 300whp? I went 10.39@133 at 640whp to your 430whp on a dynojet. I could use my same tune mustang dyno which was mid 500's. But lets see, SC, x pipe, stall, driveshaft, boss, some small suspension, vs engine swap, lots weight reduction, full bolt ons, faceplated tranny, etc, 10.39@133 vs 11.01@131, new car with all luxuries.vs out dated none the luxuries of new cars, 3900lbs vs 3100lbs, 18xx da vs 800da, shitty Little River vs great track. Yep your still losing.

And you can look at the car and video. Clearly says 2011 but nice try with some one said was a 06.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML1KZEUhn0Y
That video again...
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That video again...
Are you mad its capable of doing this with the bolt ons and combined weight reduction.
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i wouldnt call that thing a bolt on car...
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What is it then?
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exactly whats its title says... nmra stock long block. But its far from a bolt on car. Has 1000lbs removed from it. Literally EVERYTHING is changed with the exception of the long block. Its a race car... plain and simple. I have a bolt on car, WBT has a bolt on car. That is NOT a "bolt on" car. That term gets thrown around like crazy
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Originally Posted by evangto87
exactly whats its title says... nmra stock long block. But its far from a bolt on car. Has 1000lbs removed from it. Literally EVERYTHING is changed with the exception of the long block. Its a race car... plain and simple. I have a bolt on car, WBT has a bolt on car. That is NOT a "bolt on" car. That term gets thrown around like crazy


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