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Old 02-21-2013, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 92Vette
Yup he would benefit greatly from ported stock heads, I don't think LT1 heads flow very well past .550 lift
He'd benefit no doubt, but still wouldn't be enough. It would take a well thoughout H/C LT1 to even things up.
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Originally Posted by Demon 383
Bro, what's wrong with your car? You should be trapping 135 at that power level.


Mediocre at best.
135? Not sure if your serious.
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Originally Posted by Demon 383
Bro, what's wrong with your car? You should be trapping 135 at that power level.
Care to share what you're drinking? (assuming it's not something from under the bathroom counter)
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Originally Posted by Demon 383
He'd benefit no doubt, but still wouldn't be enough. It would take a well thoughout H/C LT1 to even things up.
Agreed. A good H/C/I LT1 should be able to handle that LS1.

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Originally Posted by FlatBlackZ28
Agreed. A good H/C/I LT1 should be able to handle that LS1.
Hes just missing good heads on that car, even with the best heads I'm confident he wouldn't be able to handle my car.
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Originally Posted by crazyelf
Hes just missing good heads on that car, even with the best heads I'm confident he wouldn't be able to handle my car.
Don't underestimate how shitty stock LT1 heads are . Seriously, they flow like 210cfm on the intake. Even with basic porting they barely catch up to bone stock LS heads. Its where most LT1 owners go wrong with their builds, and the single reason why they lag so far behind an LS mod for mod.

In this case though, it will take a lot of planning for a stock cube LT1 to hang with an "11.doh" car on motor. It's possible of course, but it wont be done by just buying parts here and there by someone who is modding their first LT1. He's gonna need lots of suspension, 3.73+ gearing, 3600+ stall, and then GOOD heads with matching custom cam. Having Joe Blow from the repair shop down the street port his stockers and stabbing a bottom of the page shelf grind won't do it.


He CAN just take the ez way out though, and just ship his heads off to LE for a cheap LE2 port job and throw some nitrous at it. That'll have you handled until you decide to spray or boost .
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Originally Posted by crazyelf
Hes just missing good heads on that car, even with the best heads I'm confident he wouldn't be able to handle my car.
I'm not downing your car by any means. It looks and apparently performs AMAZING. I love that color! And I won't claim to know anything about his car. His particular car may need more than heads to compete, but a truly SOLID heads/cam LT1 would give you all you could handle and then some. Even though the LT1 aftermarket has been less than impressive over the past 10 years, there are still plenty of options that can and will put a stock cube or nearly stock cube auto LT1 at or above your power level.
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Good kills.

Stock headed LT1 with BIG cam doesn't mix well. And the stock bottom ends don't have the higher rpm capability to safely take advantage of a big cam. Some 280-290cfm flowing heads would greatly help out that LT1 Formula.
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The power isn't what we should be looking at, as OP mentioned, he ran bottom 11's consistantly. Typically, you see well thought out LT1 cars with Heads/Cam/Intake run into the mid 11's.

The LT1 would need some serious upgrades in the stall, gear, suspension, and weight reduction areas to help catch it up but it is plausible.
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No 135 trap.

No care.
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Originally Posted by crazyelf
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
Nobody cares
Old 02-22-2013, 10:36 PM
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Oh somebody is upset because their isF wouldn't do any better than that LT1!
Old 02-23-2013, 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by crazyelf
Oh somebody is upset because their isF wouldn't do any better than that LT1!
Heads/Cam Fbodies don't even give him the time or day, so he has to be vicariously butthurt through the losses of others.
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Originally Posted by FlatBlackZ28
I'm not downing your car by any means. It looks and apparently performs AMAZING. I love that color! And I won't claim to know anything about his car. His particular car may need more than heads to compete, but a truly SOLID heads/cam LT1 would give you all you could handle and then some. Even though the LT1 aftermarket has been less than impressive over the past 10 years, there are still plenty of options that can and will put a stock cube or nearly stock cube auto LT1 at or above your power level.
Bullshit.

There are but a very few stock displacement LT1 cars that are running his times. Please let us in on your secret as the rest of the LT1 world needs 383" to compete...
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Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28
Bullshit.

There are but a very few stock displacement LT1 cars that are running his times. Please let us in on your secret as the rest of the LT1 world needs 383" to compete...
First, notice that I said stock or close to stock cubic inches. This would include anything between 350-355 cubic inches, basically non strokers.

Just because "most" LT1 builds don't yield the results we're talking about here doesn't make it hard. It's that people don't put the combo together right or they don't maximize it's potential. There is no secret to obtaining those power levels, and it doesn't come down to just power, it's transmission and suspension setups that shave off a lot of time too.

If you honestly think it takes a 383 stroker LT1 to run low 11's you're an idiot! And I'm sure plenty of people will agree with me.

You are always the first one to call BS on anything LT1.
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Originally Posted by FlatBlackZ28
You are always the first one to call BS on anything LT1.
Still sore after getting embarassed on another forum? Or perhaps it's because you wheezed your way into the low 12s after boasting about your 10 second build?

Enlighten us.

What does YOUR car run?

I would also love to hear how you got 353" from an LT1 block...

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Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28
Still sore after getting embarassed on another forum? Or perhaps it's because you wheezed your way into the low 12s after boasting about your 10 second build?

Enlighten us.

What does YOUR car run?

I would also love to hear how you got 353" from an LT1 block...
353 is just a .020" over bore on a stock block. Not sure why it would be chosen over a 355 with a much easier to find 30 over piston.
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Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28
Bullshit.

There are but a very few stock displacement LT1 cars that are running his times. Please let us in on your secret as the rest of the LT1 world needs 383" to compete...
There have been bolton lt1s run mid 11s. It doesnt take a 383 to run low 11s with a lt1.
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Originally Posted by TravisMcGill2000
There have been bolton lt1s run mid 11s. It doesnt take a 383 to run low 11s with a lt1.
Yeah all of what, 2 people? I knew this would turn into an lt1 debate.
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Originally Posted by crazyelf
Hes just missing good heads on that car, even with the best heads I'm confident he wouldn't be able to handle my car.
Agreed. The LT1 engine is miles behind the LS engine, it's simply a SBC with reverse coolant flow and a crappy intake manifold setup. You LT1 guys are saying that a LT1 can hang with a LSx engine mod for mod? Seriously?


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