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Old 05-24-2013, 06:41 PM
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Yeah when the LS1 came out back in 97 it really did set a new benchmark for performance. The funny thing was though is that no one really knew just how capable these motors were going to be, or that they were severely underated from the get go lol.
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Originally Posted by adamantium
The 302s are pretty darn impressive though and cheap to mod. Making 100whp+ with a mild h/c/i and supporting mods is very sweet which ever way you cut it. Might not be up to par with the LSx but definitely impressive in its own category.
For sure 300 rwhp in a 3000lb package will take care of a lot on the street. My buddy had a ls1 camaro with all the bolts on (headers, longtubes true duals etc.) tuned and geared and I could only put about 4 cars on him. I have since worked out a few of the kinks and picked up some power but even so i was shocked. 40 roll is not the way to go when playing with an ls car
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Originally Posted by HCI2000SS
Yeah when the LS1 came out back in 97 it really did set a new benchmark for performance. The funny thing was though is that no one really knew just how capable these motors were going to be, or that they were severely underated from the get go lol.
Man I remember when the cams and what not started coming out. 400rwhp out of a cam and bolt ons was stupid
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Originally Posted by 85mustang351
Man I remember when the cams and what not started coming out. 400rwhp out of a cam and bolt ons was stupid
Haha yep, and all the 5.0 and 4.6 guys were buying blowers or nitrous just to keep up lol. I must say though the old 5.0 was pretty impressive for the time considering how cheap it all was.
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Haha yep, and all the 5.0 and 4.6 guys were buying blowers or nitrous just to keep up lol
LOL who are you telling I had a 98 gt that I did the PI swap on, still needed a 100 shot just to stay close. I was definately one of those guys you speak of.
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Originally Posted by 85mustang351
LOL who are you telling I had a 98 gt that I did the PI swap on, still needed a 100 shot just to stay close. I was definately one of those guys you speak of.
Oh yeah, the 96-98 NPI gt's were real dogs. The PI was a great mod for those cars. Ironically I had a 04 gt that I traded for my SS that I have now, and it had full bolt ons, cams, custom tune and a 100, and even that thing was a tad slower than my Camaro on motor lol
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Originally Posted by HCI2000SS
Oh yeah, the 96-98 NPI gt's were real dogs. The PI was a great mod for those cars. Ironically I had a 04 gt that I traded for my SS that I have now, and it had full bolt ons, cams, custom tune and a 100, and even that thing was a tad slower than my Camaro on motor lol
for sure I would walk the dog on my 98 on the spray. That PI swap made a world of difference , family sedans werent faster than me anymore lol. Your camaro sounds pretty tough
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Originally Posted by 85mustang351
for sure I would walk the dog on my 98 on the spray. That PI swap made a world of difference , family sedans werent faster than me anymore lol. Your camaro sounds pretty tough
I just have a real budget build HCI combo with a 100 shot. You know as much as I really love this Camaro there are things about that Mustang that I really miss lol .The sound for one, the new edge body style was always cool to me, and the overall feel was just better to me. Did you ever feel that way about yours? Do you like your 85 better?
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Originally Posted by HCI2000SS
I just have a real budget build HCI combo with a 100 shot. You know as much as I really love this Camaro there are things about that Mustang that I really miss lol .The sound for one, the new edge body style was always cool to me, and the overall feel was just better to me. Did you ever feel that way about yours? Do you like your 85 better?
I rode in a buddies sn95 cobra the other day and it made me realize how comfortable it was compared to my 85 and kinda made me miss the 98. I caught myself browsing craigslist for a 96-98 cobra but the wife would have none of that. As much as I love the ls engines I just never did like the way the car itself rode or drove. They had power for days but im 5'9" and that long hood was tough to park but damn that 6 speed with that power was well worth the price of admission. That drivetrain should have been in the mustangs. My friend had a 00 ws6 with a 200 shot I fell in love with the car but he never would sell it.
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Originally Posted by 85mustang351
Crazy isnt it. Bet the 409 didnt have 1/3 the street manners or gas milege. I damn sure wouldnt want to drive mine everyday and Im not making the power you are. I just like the old school feel but for something that u drive more than 25 miles a week ac and power steering sure are nice.
No, but it also has a Holley 780 on it...

I have a dual plane and medium to small sized cam so the torque is more than the hp and flat as a table.

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After selling my ls1 and now driving my fairlane with a 87 5.0 motor, I was spoiled to have the trans Am.
The fairlane has great power from low and midrange but just dies fast at the upper level. Where as the ls1 just keeps making power,then again I'm comparing a 80's 302 motor to a late 90's motor 346.
I believe my 2800 pound fairlane would beat my trans am from a stop but from a roll it would be a different story.
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That 5.0's advantage is definitely weight. He handicapped himself with a passenger. He beat my H/C/E/G/Tuned 3600lb 4.6L T'Bird by about 2 cars and he had a passenger. I've seen him hang with bolt-on LS1 F'bodies pretty good too.

Oh and we need more walkie-talkies! lol
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Originally Posted by PhantaZm
That 5.0's advantage is definitely weight. He handicapped himself with a passenger. He beat my H/C/E/G/Tuned 3600lb 4.6L T'Bird by about 2 cars and he had a passenger. I've seen him hang with bolt-on LS1 F'bodies pretty good too.

Oh and we need more walkie-talkies! lol
Yea he did, he said she was 130lbs. Now he wants a rerun from a higher roll. I don't think it's worth it though. If we run from 40+, I'm going to pull him harder from third and only shift once. Meh, there's a 400whp 5.0 that I have lined up, I'd rather run him. We have roughly the same weight, same gears, same power.

Haha, we need a better spot is what we need.
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OP just give him his race and give him the hit... if you win that race... he wont have anything to say. If he beats you...well...i gave you bad advice lmao
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Originally Posted by 409CISecondGen
Yea he did, he said she was 130lbs. Now he wants a rerun from a higher roll. I don't think it's worth it though. If we run from 40+, I'm going to pull him harder from third and only shift once. Meh, there's a 400whp 5.0 that I have lined up, I'd rather run him. We have roughly the same weight, same gears, same power.

Haha, we need a better spot is what we need.
I just noticed you live in SA. I think my girlfriend might've seen your car the other day and thought it was me until she saw the wheels, and probably how much cleaner it is than mine lol. I have yet to see another BOM since I moved here.
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I'm bolt-ons and cam and would definitely be down for some runs. I think it'd be a close match. Your car seems to put out nice power for only bolt-ons and I'm just street tuned so I'm sure it'd be close.
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Originally Posted by cornbread23
I'm bolt-ons and cam and would definitely be down for some runs. I think it'd be a close match. Your car seems to put out nice power for only bolt-ons and I'm just street tuned so I'm sure it'd be close.
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I know a spot were u can run...me and a few friends used too run on that road for hrs at times



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