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07-11-2013, 12:22 AM
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Just wanna say a few things...
1: glad to see lunchbox continuing to lay the pipe.
2: R888s might not be "drag radials" by class, but they are the EXACT same compound used as the Nitto 555R which ARE drag radials. A 555R2 is essentially the same tire as an R888.
3: This isnt youtube land where cars need to make a million hp to go fast. This is foxbody land... where they go fast in a straight line even without HP. Two local foxes to me. Both NA 306ci jobs. One weighs 3300lbs race weight and makes 371whp. Car runs 10.71 at 125mph (good driver). Another one is 3400lb race weight, 450whp. Car ran 11.2 at 129mph (terrible driver). Now lets make either of these cars a grudge race car like Lunchbox here. Lets compare it to that fox with the good driver since thats more relavent. So take a 3300lb/371whp, 10.7 @125mph car and add 125whp and remove ATLEAST 300lbs and being able to take advantage 100% of traction and use that cars setup efficiently.
I feel sorry for the poor bastard that has to race that car.... If this fox had 800hp... well....nuff said...
1: glad to see lunchbox continuing to lay the pipe.
2: R888s might not be "drag radials" by class, but they are the EXACT same compound used as the Nitto 555R which ARE drag radials. A 555R2 is essentially the same tire as an R888.
3: This isnt youtube land where cars need to make a million hp to go fast. This is foxbody land... where they go fast in a straight line even without HP. Two local foxes to me. Both NA 306ci jobs. One weighs 3300lbs race weight and makes 371whp. Car runs 10.71 at 125mph (good driver). Another one is 3400lb race weight, 450whp. Car ran 11.2 at 129mph (terrible driver). Now lets make either of these cars a grudge race car like Lunchbox here. Lets compare it to that fox with the good driver since thats more relavent. So take a 3300lb/371whp, 10.7 @125mph car and add 125whp and remove ATLEAST 300lbs and being able to take advantage 100% of traction and use that cars setup efficiently.
I feel sorry for the poor bastard that has to race that car.... If this fox had 800hp... well....nuff said...
07-11-2013, 12:27 AM
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07-11-2013, 12:32 AM
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Don't know about anyone here, but I have some MH Racemasters on un prepped street making 580rwtq and they hook in first. May not last anything but they hook better than the slicks I had on my 500+ rwtq 5th gen.
07-11-2013, 12:34 AM
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07-11-2013, 02:17 AM
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R888s ARE NOT, drag radials.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....el=Proxes+R888
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....el=Proxes+R888
07-11-2013, 02:25 AM
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That was extremely dumb on their part then...
The GTR on the LOW END was a 550AWHP car. They yanked its **** on an unprepped surface.
Then these boys with a 550AWHP Porsche run him and allow him to prep before hand?
The race was over before it started.
Hell, they are bringing the wrong kind of toys to this type of race anyway. Looks to be an 1/8 mile and they are racing a grudge car.
The GTR on the LOW END was a 550AWHP car. They yanked its **** on an unprepped surface.
Then these boys with a 550AWHP Porsche run him and allow him to prep before hand?
The race was over before it started.
Hell, they are bringing the wrong kind of toys to this type of race anyway. Looks to be an 1/8 mile and they are racing a grudge car.
I absolutely agree on the last statement of this comment. That fox is doing 8th mile races with Bolt on GT-R's and Porches on street tires. The 900whp Z06 that he beat is a 1/4 or mile car, it isn't an 1/8 mile grudge car. If he wants to really get a challenge from an AWD import, there are quite a few built Evos on real drag radials and stripped out that he can run that get good 60' times.
The key is that car gets a good 60' and runs cars that don't have enough power or (or traction in the Z06's case) to pull him in the 1/8. If he ran the Porsche or the Z06 in a full quarter race (even the GT-R to an extent) the outcome would be different on the end.
07-11-2013, 02:31 AM
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In summary: R888 = Road racing tire
R888 /= drag radial
07-11-2013, 02:36 AM
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I absolutely agree on the last statement of this comment. That fox is doing 8th mile races with Bolt on GT-R's and Porches on street tires. The 900whp Z06 that he beat is a 1/4 or mile car, it isn't an 1/8 mile grudge car. If he wants to really get a challenge from an AWD import, there are quite a few built Evos on real drag radials and stripped out that he can run that get good 60' times.
The key is that car gets a good 60' and runs cars that don't have enough power or (or traction in the Z06's case) to pull him in the 1/8. If he ran the Porsche or the Z06 in a full quarter race (even the GT-R to an extent) the outcome would be different on the end.
The key is that car gets a good 60' and runs cars that don't have enough power or (or traction in the Z06's case) to pull him in the 1/8. If he ran the Porsche or the Z06 in a full quarter race (even the GT-R to an extent) the outcome would be different on the end.
If I'm going to run a grudge car, it is going to be in another grudge car.
They do one thing and one thing only... Get their *** moving FAST. They might not be FAST, but they get going much faster than the fast car next to them
1/8 mile is won in the first 60', period.
07-11-2013, 04:43 AM
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Just to give you an example of R888 vs Drag radial see these two cars go in the 1/4. Underground Racing Lamborghini Nera (UGR's shop car) making 1500+ whp on UGR's dyno and a customer 1500whp Lambo 3R package. They have similar specs and make similar power but the big difference is the customer car is on true drag radials while the Nera is on R888's. See videos below
Nera on R888's:
Customer car on MT drag radials:
Again I want to address that both cars make similar power on Underground racing's dyno.
Nera on R888's:
Customer car on MT drag radials:
Again I want to address that both cars make similar power on Underground racing's dyno.
07-11-2013, 05:03 AM
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its also not just tread pattern or compound, but side wall structure design, plays the biggest difference between a road racing tires and " drag " radial tires,
road racing tires has very stiff sidewalls to prevent it from rolling over or flex and hop when taking sharp turns, while a drag radials are really soft sidewalls for better weight transfer, bigger foot print and ect,
im surprised this subject still needs to be explained here, its almost basic car knowledge common sense, haha
road racing tires has very stiff sidewalls to prevent it from rolling over or flex and hop when taking sharp turns, while a drag radials are really soft sidewalls for better weight transfer, bigger foot print and ect,
im surprised this subject still needs to be explained here, its almost basic car knowledge common sense, haha
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07-11-2013, 06:54 AM
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Just wanna say a few things...
1: glad to see lunchbox continuing to lay the pipe.
2: R888s might not be "drag radials" by class, but they are the EXACT same compound used as the Nitto 555R which ARE drag radials. A 555R2 is essentially the same tire as an R888.
3: This isnt youtube land where cars need to make a million hp to go fast. This is foxbody land... where they go fast in a straight line even without HP. Two local foxes to me. Both NA 306ci jobs. One weighs 3300lbs race weight and makes 371whp. Car runs 10.71 at 125mph (good driver). Another one is 3400lb race weight, 450whp. Car ran 11.2 at 129mph (terrible driver). Now lets make either of these cars a grudge race car like Lunchbox here. Lets compare it to that fox with the good driver since thats more relavent. So take a 3300lb/371whp, 10.7 @125mph car and add 125whp and remove ATLEAST 300lbs and being able to take advantage 100% of traction and use that cars setup efficiently.
I feel sorry for the poor bastard that has to race that car.... If this fox had 800hp... well....nuff said...
1: glad to see lunchbox continuing to lay the pipe.
2: R888s might not be "drag radials" by class, but they are the EXACT same compound used as the Nitto 555R which ARE drag radials. A 555R2 is essentially the same tire as an R888.
3: This isnt youtube land where cars need to make a million hp to go fast. This is foxbody land... where they go fast in a straight line even without HP. Two local foxes to me. Both NA 306ci jobs. One weighs 3300lbs race weight and makes 371whp. Car runs 10.71 at 125mph (good driver). Another one is 3400lb race weight, 450whp. Car ran 11.2 at 129mph (terrible driver). Now lets make either of these cars a grudge race car like Lunchbox here. Lets compare it to that fox with the good driver since thats more relavent. So take a 3300lb/371whp, 10.7 @125mph car and add 125whp and remove ATLEAST 300lbs and being able to take advantage 100% of traction and use that cars setup efficiently.
I feel sorry for the poor bastard that has to race that car.... If this fox had 800hp... well....nuff said...
07-11-2013, 06:59 AM
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07-11-2013, 07:05 AM
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I was making 360s running bottom 11s @ 120 or so..
3500 # and 2000+DA..
Knock off 500 # and 10s @ 125 wouldn't be an issue at all.
Automatic cutting 1.50-1.55 short times little traction issue.
I dont doubt a 400ish rw car can easily run low 10s at 130 or so given the light weight and a properly drove manual.
3500 # and 2000+DA..
Knock off 500 # and 10s @ 125 wouldn't be an issue at all.
Automatic cutting 1.50-1.55 short times little traction issue.
I dont doubt a 400ish rw car can easily run low 10s at 130 or so given the light weight and a properly drove manual.
07-11-2013, 08:00 AM
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its also not just tread pattern or compound, but side wall structure design, plays the biggest difference between a road racing tires and " drag " radial tires,
road racing tires has very stiff sidewalls to prevent it from rolling over or flex and hop when taking sharp turns, while a drag radials are really soft sidewalls for better weight transfer, bigger foot print and ect,
im surprised this subject still needs to be explained here, its almost basic car knowledge common sense, haha
road racing tires has very stiff sidewalls to prevent it from rolling over or flex and hop when taking sharp turns, while a drag radials are really soft sidewalls for better weight transfer, bigger foot print and ect,
im surprised this subject still needs to be explained here, its almost basic car knowledge common sense, haha
07-11-2013, 08:07 AM
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R888's are good street tires because they wear better then drag radials and are better in the rain, but I would never compare them. I got them because I dont want to be replacing my tires every 2 months and they work surprisingly well despite what they were designed for.
But unfortunately it looks like good drag radials are the only next step for me on the street.
But unfortunately it looks like good drag radials are the only next step for me on the street.
07-11-2013, 08:08 AM
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The real suckers are the guys with the GTR's and the 1000WHP Corvettes that think theyre going to beat that Fox on the street. Car is set up to hurt feelings of guys with big ego's, Big wallets and big mouths. Does its job rather well.
07-11-2013, 08:10 AM
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R888's are good street tires because they wear better then drag radials and are better in the rain, but I would never compare them. I got them because I dont want to be replacing my tires every 2 months and they work surprisingly well despite what they were designed for.
But unfortunately it looks like good drag radials are the only next step for me on the street.
But unfortunately it looks like good drag radials are the only next step for me on the street.
07-11-2013, 08:47 AM
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Bingo. While it may not technically be a "drag radial" The R888 is used a lot in road racing and a lot on High HP Street cars that dont want to use a Nitto or a full Mickey etc. Quite a few customer cars here that make in the 700's on a front wheel drive car that run the tripple 8's because they want the traction it provides and or cant fit the proper drag radial on the car with street wheels.