Stock 02 Z28 vs Modded 2v
09-23-2013, 01:32 AM
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Trevor's car was not close to 3500lb race weight. More like 3200lb. My 2v with a blower, intercooler, full 3 gallon meth tank weighed 3560lbs with me in it. I actually had some tools in it too. Only weight reduction I had was no spare.
Trevor said he took the door panels off. You think hell pull door panels but not all the seats?
Not to mention the race wheels and whatever else.
A full bolt on 2v meaning headers/gears/slicks will get into the high 12's.
Pull weight, do cams probably go mid to low 12's. Do the TFS 38cc heads to bump the compression up a point, and yeah they can high 11's. At that pointX you have a max effort MAXED out 2v. That just makes it into the 11's. Only thing left to do is raise the compression. But it won't see that much.
I think 11's are possible from a 2v, but like I said its a very max effort build.
Trevor said he took the door panels off. You think hell pull door panels but not all the seats?
Not to mention the race wheels and whatever else.
A full bolt on 2v meaning headers/gears/slicks will get into the high 12's.
Pull weight, do cams probably go mid to low 12's. Do the TFS 38cc heads to bump the compression up a point, and yeah they can high 11's. At that pointX you have a max effort MAXED out 2v. That just makes it into the 11's. Only thing left to do is raise the compression. But it won't see that much.
I think 11's are possible from a 2v, but like I said its a very max effort build.
09-23-2013, 01:34 AM
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09-23-2013, 01:43 AM
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09-23-2013, 01:44 AM
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Still, a NA 2v doesn't weigh 3500lbs bud. Unless the driver is 350-400lbs.
A cam only 2v usually makes 280-300rwhp. Trying to a say a ~300rwhp 3500lb car is running low 12's at 111mph is not right.
As far as your 9 second NA 2v stuff, post a link?
A cam only 2v usually makes 280-300rwhp. Trying to a say a ~300rwhp 3500lb car is running low 12's at 111mph is not right.
As far as your 9 second NA 2v stuff, post a link?
09-23-2013, 01:50 AM
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And I believe one of the cars your talking about is Mike? F8L GT?
He went 12.5 @ 108mph stock long block full bolt on. But that car is also gutted. I almost want to say it was 2900lbs without driver.
He has that car going good, but like I said. There's not enough consistency there. It's not like every other full bolt on 2v with weight pulled out is doing 12.5 @ 108mph.
He went 12.5 @ 108mph stock long block full bolt on. But that car is also gutted. I almost want to say it was 2900lbs without driver.
He has that car going good, but like I said. There's not enough consistency there. It's not like every other full bolt on 2v with weight pulled out is doing 12.5 @ 108mph.
09-23-2013, 01:54 AM
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Multiple n/a 2v combos have been in the 9s all of which are in the 281-29xci range meaning they are not whored out combos by any means. The 4.6 4v has been every bit as fast as the ls1. The 5.4 has been faster and has made more power then the 5.7 ls. Just stating facts is all. So your can't hold a candle to a ls1 claim is false.
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And I believe one of the cars your talking about is Mike? F8L GT?
He went 12.5 @ 108mph stock long block full bolt on. But that car is also gutted. I almost want to say it was 2900lbs without driver.
He has that car going good, but like I said. There's not enough consistency there. It's not like every other full bolt on 2v with weight pulled out is doing 12.5 @ 108mph.
He went 12.5 @ 108mph stock long block full bolt on. But that car is also gutted. I almost want to say it was 2900lbs without driver.
He has that car going good, but like I said. There's not enough consistency there. It's not like every other full bolt on 2v with weight pulled out is doing 12.5 @ 108mph.
09-23-2013, 02:05 AM
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They weigh about 3300lbs from the factory. Dropping 300lbs no it doesn't have to be gutted. But, it's not as simple as your making it out to be.
Your making it out to be 2v's can easily run 11's. If it was so easy, then you would see more of them doing it. But, it that's what you think that's fine.
So where are those 9 second 2vs you keep bringing up?
Your making it out to be 2v's can easily run 11's. If it was so easy, then you would see more of them doing it. But, it that's what you think that's fine.
So where are those 9 second 2vs you keep bringing up?
09-23-2013, 02:07 AM
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Still, a NA 2v doesn't weigh 3500lbs bud. Unless the driver is 350-400lbs.
So full weight 2vs minus a few suspension parts and 15s on the back are 3100lbs? News to me lol
A cam only 2v usually makes 280-300rwhp. Trying to a say a ~300rwhp 3500lb car is running low 12's at 111mph is not right.
Correct that's about what a cams 2v will make . My mach was making 298 with minor boltons and at a ~3500lb race weight was going 112 so I beg to differ
As far as your 9 second NA 2v stuff, post a link?
So full weight 2vs minus a few suspension parts and 15s on the back are 3100lbs? News to me lol
A cam only 2v usually makes 280-300rwhp. Trying to a say a ~300rwhp 3500lb car is running low 12's at 111mph is not right.
Correct that's about what a cams 2v will make . My mach was making 298 with minor boltons and at a ~3500lb race weight was going 112 so I beg to differ
As far as your 9 second NA 2v stuff, post a link?
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They weigh about 3300lbs from the factory. Dropping 300lbs no it doesn't have to be gutted. But, it's not as simple as your making it out to be.
Your making it out to be 2v's can easily run 11's. If it was so easy, then you would see more of them doing it. But, it that's what you think that's fine.
So where are those 9 second 2vs you keep bringing up?
Your making it out to be 2v's can easily run 11's. If it was so easy, then you would see more of them doing it. But, it that's what you think that's fine.
So where are those 9 second 2vs you keep bringing up?
I am not saying it is easy to run 11s but it can be done. The answer to your question is simple. Most people are misinformed and will not give the 2v a chance. The others are not going to shell out the money for a good setup. This leaves a very small number of people trying to push the 2v n/a.
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09-23-2013, 02:18 AM
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A stock 2v 5 speed is about 3300lbs from the factory.
15" wheels won't make as much of a difference because factory 17" wheels are already light. Probably save 60lbs all together. Stock driveshaft to aluminum driveshaft isn't much either. About 8-10lbs. Tubular K with a coil over set up is about 60lbs. Jack/spare is good for 20lbs. Knocked off about 150lbs. Now your at about 3,150lbs. not counting exhaust, other suspension parts, misc parts (dog bone, spoiler, etc) can easily get it to 3100lbs without driver.
You saying your buddy's cars race weight was 3500lbs is full of ****.
As far as your Mach 1, there all over the place. Some trap slow , some trap fast. From what I've seen, typical bolt on and gears Mach 1's do about 108-110mph. At full weight, no weight reduction at all.
15" wheels won't make as much of a difference because factory 17" wheels are already light. Probably save 60lbs all together. Stock driveshaft to aluminum driveshaft isn't much either. About 8-10lbs. Tubular K with a coil over set up is about 60lbs. Jack/spare is good for 20lbs. Knocked off about 150lbs. Now your at about 3,150lbs. not counting exhaust, other suspension parts, misc parts (dog bone, spoiler, etc) can easily get it to 3100lbs without driver.
You saying your buddy's cars race weight was 3500lbs is full of ****.
As far as your Mach 1, there all over the place. Some trap slow , some trap fast. From what I've seen, typical bolt on and gears Mach 1's do about 108-110mph. At full weight, no weight reduction at all.
09-23-2013, 02:20 AM
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What is not as simple as I make it to be? Getting weight out? I have done it already and yes it is simple and cheap for the most part.
I am not saying it is easy to run 11s but it can be done. The answer to your question is simple. Most people are misinformed and will not give the 2v a chance. The others are not going to shell out the money for a good setup. This leaves a very small number of people trying to push the 2v n/a.
I am not saying it is easy to run 11s but it can be done. The answer to your question is simple. Most people are misinformed and will not give the 2v a chance. The others are not going to shell out the money for a good setup. This leaves a very small number of people trying to push the 2v n/a.
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On ls1 tech talking about 2Vs lol. No wonder why you catch so much heat over here.
I'm not going to keep arguing with you, I liked my 2v. But for what it had done, it should have ran harder. It ran good for a 2v.
I don't know if the 2v's or the 5th gens are more disappointing
I'm not going to keep arguing with you, I liked my 2v. But for what it had done, it should have ran harder. It ran good for a 2v.
I don't know if the 2v's or the 5th gens are more disappointing
09-23-2013, 02:29 AM
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A stock 2v 5 speed is about 3300lbs from the factory.
15" wheels won't make as much of a difference because factory 17" wheels are already light. Probably save 60lbs all together. Stock driveshaft to aluminum driveshaft isn't much either. About 8-10lbs. Tubular K with a coil over set up is about 60lbs. Jack/spare is good for 20lbs. Knocked off about 150lbs. Now your at about 3,150lbs. not counting exhaust, other suspension parts, misc parts (dog bone, spoiler, etc) can easily get it to 3100lbs without driver.
You saying your buddy's cars race weight was 3500lbs is full of ****.
Wrong he is a 250+lb guy and the car still had 17s on the front with the spare jack and all of the seats still in it (leather with power). At a minimum 3400 raceweight.
As far as your Mach 1, there all over the place. Some trap slow , some trap fast. From what I've seen, typical bolt on and gears Mach 1's do about 108-110mph. At full weight, no weight reduction at all.
15" wheels won't make as much of a difference because factory 17" wheels are already light. Probably save 60lbs all together. Stock driveshaft to aluminum driveshaft isn't much either. About 8-10lbs. Tubular K with a coil over set up is about 60lbs. Jack/spare is good for 20lbs. Knocked off about 150lbs. Now your at about 3,150lbs. not counting exhaust, other suspension parts, misc parts (dog bone, spoiler, etc) can easily get it to 3100lbs without driver.
You saying your buddy's cars race weight was 3500lbs is full of ****.
Wrong he is a 250+lb guy and the car still had 17s on the front with the spare jack and all of the seats still in it (leather with power). At a minimum 3400 raceweight.
As far as your Mach 1, there all over the place. Some trap slow , some trap fast. From what I've seen, typical bolt on and gears Mach 1's do about 108-110mph. At full weight, no weight reduction at all.
Yea if the car was light enough it could but I said nothing about a bolton combo going 11s.
09-23-2013, 02:32 AM
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Here's the car in the video that autodouche posted.
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=295405
The damn thing had a 2700# race weight. Lol
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=295405
The damn thing had a 2700# race weight. Lol
The Combo is a 4.6 bored some and stock stroke comes up to 288.8(per NMRA tech) with a set of Trick Flow heads, victor JR manifold and a Quick Fuel carb.
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On ls1 tech talking about 2Vs lol. No wonder why you catch so much heat over here.
I'm not going to keep arguing with you, I liked my 2v. But for what it had done, it should have ran harder. It ran good for a 2v.
I don't know if the 2v's or the 5th gens are more disappointing
I'm not going to keep arguing with you, I liked my 2v. But for what it had done, it should have ran harder. It ran good for a 2v.
I don't know if the 2v's or the 5th gens are more disappointing
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